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Re: Something Different "Wasp Spray"
« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2010, 08:50:25 PM »
I guess I'm thinking with a Bourne Attitude.  Fight with what you got!  I have a pistol but if I'm in the garage and the wasp spray is easier to get a handle on.  You bet your ass I'm reachin for the wasp spray

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Re: Something Different "Wasp Spray"
« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2010, 08:52:59 PM »
I guess use what you can with what you have. If your alive to survive a lawsuit, that (as one of my instructors said), is better than the alternative.

Here's another, "Better to be judged by twelve, than carried by six".

I used to carry a AMP roto crimp tool for work in my car, it also would shatter any bone it impacted if swung in a manner defending myself. More than likely, with a head shot, would have ended the attackers life, kinda a "Night-Stick" with a bulbous nasty end, almost like a mace but a little shorter.

It's a tool I use at work. BUT could use in other situations. I guess a large crescent wrench could kinda be the same thing, but now it's a good pocket knife, and a firearm.

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Re: Something Different "Wasp Spray"
« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2010, 10:01:32 PM »
using a "weapon of opportunity" Vs a planned ahead use of a weapon is easier to defend against

" Why Yes Your Honor, I was in fear of my life when I picked up the closest thing I could use to defend myself and hit the attacker as hard as I could"

Or,
Yes Your Honor, I read somewhere that wasp spray would blind someone who was breaking into my house so I kept a can in every room to use against them, You know, Just in case"

Now which sounds more likely to have a Jury or Judge find in your favor?
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Re: Something Different "Wasp Spray"
« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2010, 10:40:45 PM »
It doesn't matter.  He fell into the can and sprayed himself.  I just tried helping him wipe it out with steel wool... :D
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Re: Something Different "Wasp Spray"
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2010, 11:48:42 PM »
I dated her in college, didn't I?    ;D

Majer is right - absolutely do not use this stuff. Unless you are attacked on your porch, and there is a wasp nest above you, and you have to use it as a last-ditch weapon, a good lawyer will saute' you alive in front of a jury. The mind boggle at all of the ways you will get hung out to dry.

Using wasp spray is equivalent IMHO to "shooting to wound" or firing a warning shot. Just say no, don't do it, be serious about your defense. Do not look for gimmicks.

Mayor and Path are right on the money. My mother got that email about a month ago. I spent at least 15 min explaining how bad an idea this really was! Hopefully I got through to her. If you station wasp spray for defense in places  that you wouldn't normally have use for it you'll have a hard time explaining it away to a jury. I really think a better idea is to stay armed with your defensive firearm all the time is a much better idea!
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Re: Something Different "Wasp Spray"
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Re: Something Different "Wasp Spray"
« Reply #15 on: March 17, 2010, 01:28:47 AM »
I'm not too sure that I would use a product that could permanently blind someone for self defense. The law suite that followed would more than likely ruin you financial and you could end up in jail for using a product that you "KNEW" could do this type of damage.When I was taking the NY state Armed guard class my instructor told us to stay away from any "devastator" type ammo as this could be used as proof that you didn't want to just stop someone you wanted to kill or punish them above and beyond what a court may dole out. I'll stay with "mainstream" self defense tools thank you.

That's about what I thought. The guy would sue you, and with the kind of lawyers that represent his type, he'd probably win. I'd rather just shoot him.
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Re: Something Different "Wasp Spray"
« Reply #16 on: March 17, 2010, 11:21:54 AM »
True....a lawyer could make a case about you having wasp spray in your home.  But your lawyer can easily defend your possession of a common household item fairly easily.  And your lawyer can do it in a way to ellicit sympathy from the jury....


Having a lawyer as crafty and clever as the ones we always seem to worry about....THAT'S your best defense....  8)
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Re: Something Different "Wasp Spray"
« Reply #17 on: March 17, 2010, 12:47:32 PM »
using a "weapon of opportunity" Vs a planned ahead use of a weapon is easier to defend against

" Why Yes Your Honor, I was in fear of my life when I picked up the closest thing I could use to defend myself and hit the attacker as hard as I could"

Or,
Yes Your Honor, I read somewhere that wasp spray would blind someone who was breaking into my house so I kept a can in every room to use against them, You know, Just in case"

Now which sounds more likely to have a Jury or Judge find in your favor?

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What would 12 reasonable men in your locale think?  What does the case law in your area support?

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Re: Something Different "Wasp Spray"
« Reply #18 on: March 17, 2010, 01:00:15 PM »
What would 12 reasonable men in your locale think?  What does the case law in your area support?

I live in MA, I don't know twelve reasonable men or women...

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Re: Something Different "Wasp Spray"
« Reply #19 on: March 17, 2010, 08:58:14 PM »
"The kindly Leo's of my city recommended it, and I trust their judgment." 1st defense, 2nd, I feared for my life, every defense.

As a history lesson, when I was about 7 yrs old, the next door bully and me tangled, he was older but still very young, maybe 8 or 9, outweighed me by 25 pounds, long story short, we tussled and he wound up sitting on my chest and punching me, no big deal as my POS paternal father regularly hit me with his fists, I was really hard to hurt, UNTIL,  he hit me with a bicycle air pump in my teeth, that P*ssed me off, laying on my back in the entrance to the garage at my aunt's house I reached for what was there, a can of Raid, now that was 44 yrs ago, there was only 1 Raid, and I sprayed him in the face, at that time it was probably chlordane in the can, it achieved an immediate response, he could not breathe and looked extremely worried, he got off of me and ran next door to his house, followed by a trip to the emergency room, while he was gone, I started making weapons, out of rolled up newspaper and spent safety razor blades, fearing his retaliation, funny thing, he never even came close to bothering me again. 1 of the qualifiers of many that put me on the path of don't be a victim. I don't know if he learned his lesson, or his parents used it as a teachable moment.

Kinda feel sorry for him now, but I was defending myself on my aunt's property, and had not bothered him.
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