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Re: Government files amicus -- on DC's side!
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2008, 11:06:31 PM »
Roger That. Any one foolish enough to vote democrat deserves what they get

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Re: Government files amicus -- on DC's side!
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2008, 11:10:32 PM »
Hell will freeze over before I vote for a Republican other than Fred or Huckabee.

Bush just gave the Democrats a HUGE gift.

I say impeach the son of a...oh gosh, how to put this...bitch and MAKE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY PAY.

If there is no difference between the Dem and the Republicans, I'll take my chances with a devil I know.

We now know where the Republican Party stands, and it is behind us with a knife...

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MB,

I have been saying this for months and being told "you have to support the Republicans no matter what".  Well  guess what, I DO support Republicans and as Fred said in the last debate this is a war for the heart and direction of the party.

Vote for "the lesser evil" (RINOs) if you wish but all you are doing is moving farther left!

THOMPSON, HUNTER or NO! Sorry, MB but Huckabee is a no too.  Just look at his tax and immigation record.  We need to take the party back or go some where else.  I will NOT die the "death of a thousand cuts" willingly!

Either the party hears us or we leave.  I am TIRED of moving left!
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Re: Government files amicus -- on DC's side!
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2008, 12:16:41 AM »
MB,

I have been saying this for months and being told "you have to support the Republicans no matter what".  Well  guess what, I DO support Republicans and as Fred said in the last debate this is a war for the heart and direction of the party.

Vote for "the lesser evil" (RINOs) if you wish but all you are doing is moving farther left!

THOMPSON, HUNTER or NO! Sorry, MB but Huckabee is a no too.  Just look at his tax and immigation record.  We need to take the party back or go some where else.  I will NOT die the "death of a thousand cuts" willingly!

Either the party hears us or we leave.  I am TIRED of moving left!
There are too many issues that I have problems with Huckabee, I can't vote for him even if he is pro-2nd Amendment.  1000 pardons and commutations did nothing but steal justice from the families of crime victims.

I don't know what I'll do if Fred doesn't get the nod, but voting for the others isn't an option.
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Re: Government files amicus -- on DC's side!
« Reply #13 on: January 13, 2008, 12:40:31 AM »
Hey Michael, It snowed in Bagdad yeterday, so are you voting for Romney or McCain?
  Seriously your post sounded like a 6 year old, " I'm taking my marbles and going home" (add foot stomping)
Which is more important, getting the job done however, and with who ever, or the bruised ego of backing a seemingly losing horse? If push comes to shove it really doesn't matter what the govt does. I mean we ARE the ones with the guns and Mao points out that is the ultimate source of political power. Would not be the first time the people veto'd the govt's plans.

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« Reply #14 on: January 13, 2008, 01:12:00 AM »
I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore.

Get proactive. I just e mailed Fred and George.

I sent a copy of the brief copied from Michaels blog. I then stated to Fred he needs to step up, and this is why we fired George H, and We got Cinton. I also relayed that to President GW. I was calm, but also let him know my family has supported, argued and debated in his behalf. I reminded him that My family was invited to his inauguration and I still hold that document high. BUT, that brief is a spit in the face of American gun owners, just like his daddy's executive order banning the importation of certain firearms, and what that lead to. The brief was uncalled for, inappropriate and just like Michael said, may have just handed the election to the dems. I just got asked to send money to our state rifle association, so that they and the NRA, could collectively make this type of brief.  I would like to ask Michael to author an email We can all copy, spread around and BOMBARD  the White House with as well as the candidates for President.


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Re: Government files amicus -- on DC's side!
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Re: Government files amicus -- on DC's side!
« Reply #15 on: January 13, 2008, 07:48:49 AM »
Hey Michael, It snowed in Bagdad yeterday, so are you voting for Romney or McCain?
  Seriously your post sounded like a 6 year old, " I'm taking my marbles and going home" (add foot stomping)
Which is more important, getting the job done however, and with who ever, or the bruised ego of backing a seemingly losing horse? If push comes to shove it really doesn't matter what the govt does. I mean we ARE the ones with the guns and Mao points out that is the ultimate source of political power. Would not be the first time the people veto'd the govt's plans.

It has nothing to do with a bruised ego. It has everything to do with the fact that most of the Rinos (McCain, Guiliani, Romney et al) WILL NOT work with us to reinforce our rights. These Rinos have been anti-2A all along, anti-American values, anti-fiscal conservancy, and pro-anything that will destroy the US. So they're "will not" means that they have no interest, have no reason, and have never supported us in the past.

I hate this idea, but maybe Michael is right, the devil you know is better than the one you do not. If a strong 2A candidate does not make it, then stay home on election day and let the world (and future candidates) know what you did and why. As I noted in another post, politicians get the message - eventually.
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Re: Government files amicus -- on DC's side!
« Reply #16 on: January 13, 2008, 09:57:19 AM »
I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore.

Get proactive. I just e mailed Fred and George.


What email address are you using for Fred? The 'Contact Us' form on Fred08.com?
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Re: Government files amicus -- on DC's side!
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2008, 11:57:20 AM »
It has nothing to do with a bruised ego. It has everything to do with the fact that most of the Rinos (McCain, Guiliani, Romney et al) WILL NOT work with us to reinforce our rights. These Rinos have been anti-2A all along, anti-American values, anti-fiscal conservancy, and pro-anything that will destroy the US. So they're "will not" means that they have no interest, have no reason, and have never supported us in the past.

I hate this idea, but maybe Michael is right, the devil you know is better than the one you do not. If a strong 2A candidate does not make it, then stay home on election day and let the world (and future candidates) know what you did and why. As I noted in another post, politicians get the message - eventually.
2 things, 1) I've seen the acronym Rino several times on here haven't figured it out yet , POS was easy, but the closest I can come up with is "Rats In National Office" but that fits ALL of them.
 2) Would you rather fight a democrat who you have to get voted out of office, that means you'r stuck with them for their whole term, or a bad republican, where influence can be exerted through the party organization until you get the chance to vote them out. Soros and Bloomburg think political power comes from a checkbook. We can use that as well until it's time to use the other option

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Re: Government files amicus -- on DC's side!
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2008, 01:07:43 PM »
FIRST...I spoke with the Thompson campaign this AM...am told "we are all over this" and a statement will be forthcoming shortly!

1) RINO — Republican In Name Only

2) YES, that is exactly what I would rather do. In the face of a specific enemy, we are excellent ar rallying the troops, focusing on necessities and doing the hard tasks that have to be done to protect our gun rights. With a nightrider like George Bush and the bulk of the Republicans, they are enemies who present as friends, In the 8 years the Republicans were in power (including 6 where they held the House, Senate and Presidency), we gun owners got virtually nothing. Yes, the AWN sunsetted, but that happened only because it required inaction rather than action on the part of Congress obsessed with pork and social issues that bordered on parody. This despite the fact that the gun lobby was acknowledged as the factor that put Bush in office not once, but twice. The problem is that the Republicans have clearly decided that we — that is, the gun culture — are not worth the trouble...they assume they will get out vote anyway, so why bother?

What we are looking at here is a deal between the Bush White House and the most vicious and deeply sworn enemy of our culture, Charles Schumer, to get Bush's Attorney General through the confirmation process. Remember Schumer's "love note" to he AG? If you don't, this is from Schumer's website:

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I will support Judge Michael Mukasey for attorney general.

I have spent the last nine months doing everything I can to get new leadership at the Department of Justice, and I believe the job will not be finished until we get a strong and independent attorney general. I believe Judge Mukasey is that type of person.

Now we know what George Bush had to do to get that endorsement — sell us out. Bush gets an Attorney General and not a lot of grief (plus heaven knows what else), and Schumer gets the legal groundwork for a new Assault Weapons Ban. The biggest problem for the antigunners with D.C. v. Heller is not the fear of an individual interpretation of the Second, but the fear that the Supremes will allow the D.C. handgun ban to be overturned even if they left in place "reasonable restrictions." Such a ruling would make any other outright ban, including the new Assault Weapons Ban guaranteed by all the Democratic Presidential candidates and supported by Mitt Romney and John McCain on the Republican side, unable to stand a Constitutional challenge.

What Bush has done is offer an alternative interpretation to the Supremes, supported by the "prestige" of the United States government, that will give Charles Schumer and the wingnut side of the Democratic Party the ability to ban any gun they want. The Bush amicus is a HUGE expansion of the government's power to ban guns, impossible to imagine even a month ago. Should the Supremes endorse the government's position, we are in deep, deep trouble.

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Re: Government files amicus -- on DC's side!
« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2008, 01:49:45 PM »
FIRST...I spoke with the Thompson campaign this AM...am told "we are all over this" and a statement will be forthcoming shortly!

1) RINO — Republican In Name Only

2) YES, that is exactly what I would rather do. In the face of a specific enemy, we are excellent ar rallying the troops, focusing on necessities and doing the hard tasks that have to be done to protect our gun rights. With a nightrider like George Bush and the bulk of the Republicans, they are enemies who present as friends, In the 8 years the Republicans were in power (including 6 where they held the House, Senate and Presidency), we gun owners got virtually nothing. Yes, the AWN sunsetted, but that happened only because it required inaction rather than action on the part of Congress obsessed with pork and social issues that bordered on parody. This despite the fact that the gun lobby was acknowledged as the factor that put Bush in office not once, but twice. The problem is that the Republicans have clearly decided that we — that is, the gun culture — are not worth the trouble...they assume they will get out vote anyway, so why bother?

What we are looking at here is a deal between the Bush White House and the most vicious and deeply sworn enemy of our culture, Charles Schumer, to get Bush's Attorney General through the confirmation process. Remember Schumer's "love note" to he AG? If you don't, this is from Schumer's website:

Now we know what George Bush had to do to get that endorsement — sell us out. Bush gets an Attorney General and not a lot of grief (plus heaven knows what else), and Schumer gets the legal groundwork for a new Assault Weapons Ban. The biggest problem for the antigunners with D.C. v. Heller is not the fear of an individual interpretation of the Second, but the fear that the Supremes will allow the D.C. handgun ban to be overturned even if they left in place "reasonable restrictions." Such a ruling would make any other outright ban, including the new Assault Weapons Ban guaranteed by all the Democratic Presidential candidates and supported by Mitt Romney and John McCain on the Republican side, unable to stand a Constitutional challenge.

What Bush has done is offer an alternative interpretation to the Supremes, supported by the "prestige" of the United States government, that will give Charles Schumer and the wingnut side of the Democratic Party the ability to ban any gun they want. The Bush amicus is a HUGE expansion of the government's power to ban guns, impossible to imagine even a month ago. Should the Supremes endorse the government's position, we are in deep, deep trouble.

Michael B


I made certain to quote Mr. Bane's statment because Mr. Bane's statements need to be reiterated and not lost down the thread.  Yes, we have a sellout here...I refer to him as "The Traitor Bush". 

Before ya'll jump on MB and criticize him about stating that he won't vote unless it's specific candidates.....think about this....I voted for the lesser of evils last time (you to, eh?) and that worked out (sarcasm injected here) really well, didn't it?  So I'm thinking this time..."What is the definition of insanity?"...to which I respond "Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."  Making sense yet?

Hey, we are all on the same side here, but that diversity stuff is not the path we need....I actually believe it would have been better if we had voted for one of the other slugs in the last two presidential elections so that in their stupidity people may have been educated by either of those two idiots (Gore & Kerry) showing their behinds.  All we have is a lying dog sellout now....which gives conservatives a bad name (all the less informed do use him as an example of conservative...not you and I) and sells us out like the chumps we are (I hope the word "were" is correct and not "are")....a good reason to not vote for the idiots from New York or Massachu(hell, I don't even want to spell that state)... that would be Rudy and Mitt.   If The Traitor Bush sold us out what do you think McCain will do for us....I think he'll be glad to grease us up and hand us over; heck, if you look at all he's said and done in the past in detail (not rely on someone to tell you what to think) it's pretty clear McCain is in it for McCain.

Well, flame me if you will, but I'd rather flame out as opposed to being given the option to die a slow death from RINO REPUBLICANs.  We know where Obama and Hillary are coming from, if the Republicans are going to use us like a whore (don't forget the definition of insanity) I am really contemplating if it would not be better to vote for the gun-grabbing Democrat to insure that the Republican's lose.  I believe it would be better to immediately confront outright lunacy and intolerance and fight the good fight while we still have some sanity in the public with people aroused rather than face "death" from a thousand cuts.  Each year that goes by it seems there are more and more of them and less and less of us....better now than when it's harder later.

You guys, hey...please don't dig your heals in yet on who to support.  Take a breath...remember...breath, relax, aim & squeeze.  Someone here diss'ed Huckabee on taxes...do you know he wants to replace income tax with a sales tax....I'm in on that.  If ya'll think among these candidates there is something more important than the 2nd Ammendment just don't forget two things 1) the 2nd Ammendment guarantees the Constitution and 2) when they come to pick up your guns how much in blood and $'s will that cost you.  And I guarantee, when they come to pick up your guns it won't be a nice thing and that it's only going to be the start. 
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