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gunman42782

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Libertarians
« on: January 16, 2008, 07:19:58 AM »
With the current crop of Republicans being less than  ideal, and Fred not going nowhere, what are you guys thoughts on the Libertarians?  I have no idea who they are even running this year, but the Libertarians are 100 percent pro-gun!  I think if we could start some sort of movement towards getting the nations gun owners to back the Libertarian Party it would send a message that those idiots in Washington could not ignore.  I am tired of voting for the lesser of two evils.  I am tired of these idiots getting in office and then doing what they want instead of what we want.  I don't agree with everything the Libertarians stand for, but I find myself agreeing more than I disagree.  What say you?
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Re: Libertarians
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2008, 09:55:57 AM »
I think you also have to be realistic...a vote for a Libertarian candidate, even though it's a statement, is a wasted vote. We need to go with the most 2A friendly choice we have.
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Re: Libertarians
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2008, 11:26:04 AM »
Do you go to a church because you believe in what they preach , or because they have the largest bingo prizes, the libertarian candidate is Ron Paul, how he got listed as a Republican I don't know. The point is of course they don't have a chance to win if people say " I agree with their position but 3rd parties never win" Of course not, people agree with them then vote for some A--hole from the major parties.
 Over in the Amicus breif thread John suggested our own party, lets do it.

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Re: Libertarians
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2008, 11:36:24 AM »
Over in the Amicus breif thread John suggested our own party, lets do it.
THAT I agree with. The candidate would need be appealing on many levels, but with the one (2A) core value.
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Re: Libertarians
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2008, 06:25:27 PM »
Being  a card carrying member  of  the  OTHER Proud & Few  (a  libertarian not  a USMC) here is  my  take on the  pres race (and all  others fwiw). I  honestlly believe my  party's  policies  could  & would  be  the  best  thing  to  happen  for  &  to  the USA.I'll be the  first  to acknowledge that we rarely win elections  but  we &  like-minded voters often  decide elections.IMO,an anti-2A GOP president is  more  dangerous than an anti-2A democrat  president  b/c  so many fence-sitters  in  the House  & Senate will vote  partyline on 2A  issues esp  AWB ,SNS,EBR etc.I  will not  vote  for any  of  the Democrat candidates  nor  will  I vote  for  Mitt,Rudy  or  John Mac &  while I'd  love  to  vote  for Fred  it  probably  will not  be an option.I  then  will choose  to punish  the GOP &  hope  the  Dems  screw  up  so  badly  that  they'll lose  Congress in 2  years.I'll  also  be  doing  some  serious e-mail & talk-time  with  my Senator  (he  is a  GOP  & will  being facing a real test  for the first time in a long time) about  the George W backstab & his  reaction to it.So  as  to  give non-libs a little  insight  to  our views &  what is IMO  the  best  assessment  of the GOP & Dems current  policy  I'll share  this  quote  from one of  our past pres candidates "The  Democrats &  Republicans are the same,they are  both  driving  the USA to  hell.The  only  difference  is  the  Democrats are  on a fast  train  &  the Republicans are on a slow boat."

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Re: Libertarians
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Re: Libertarians
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2008, 02:26:03 AM »
Quit bi#chin and DO SOMETHING

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Re: Libertarians
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2008, 11:48:51 AM »
I like most of Doctor Paul's views, but I don't dig his stance on illegalizing abortion (how 'bout we beat it into the kids' brains that abortion is NOT a form of birth control?) and his idea of turning America into an isolationist paradise.  Granted, there's no more rest of the free world to care about - see how cancer ridden the United Kingdom has become - but taking all of our toys and going home is too bratty a position for such a powerful nation.

As for going Tombogan's analogy of "do you go to Church because of belief or because of the biggest bingo jackpot" - that's an incomplete and inaccurate analogy.

The better analogy is which Church do you go to worship at?  The one where you have to wear SCUBA gear to even breathe in because the other parties have been whizzing on it so long it's at the bottom of a yellow lake, or do you go to a friendlier non-denominational Church where you'll be allowed to fully espouse your beliefs and hope to influence others by the example of your faith?

Frankly, there's really not much chance of a palpable candidate making it to the end vote anyway.  The last time I had a clear choice (2000), the pro-gun candidate turned into a back-stabbing, lying filthy fascist traitor - not that my state (Illinois) went for him.

edited to spell Tom's name right - sorry, Tom.

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Re: Libertarians
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2008, 03:20:10 AM »
It's OK I don't always get it rite either :D What I'll go ahead and argue is this. With the name Doug you must be a guy We don't get pregnant , nor do we have the last word when our significant other does, so it's really just academic to us. If he tries to ban abortion he will be far to busy to stab US in the back or turn us into an isolationist state. That gives us time, and bargaining power to regain lost ground.
   On the isolationist subject, I was an active duty Marine when jimmy the Jerk let Iran humiliate us for 444days, The unit that got blown up in Beruit was one I had previously served with. I've been reading and studying terrorism since the 70's and I have been waiting a LONG time to see muslim fanatic bodies put in the streets by US troops, Preferably my Marine brothers. HOWEVER, as soon as Bush started talking about invading Iraq I said it was dumb, They would withdraw into the cities and commence insurgent warfare just like the Palistinians were then doing in Gaza. I said at the time, If they want to get rid of Hussien the best way would have been a sniper team, The absolute worst case , you lose a dozen guys and some M-82's big deal Ronnie can make more. Instead of listening to me, Bush and Rumsfeld launched a full scale invasion and then by disbanding the Iraqi army and Police in a publicity stunt they lost control of the whole country, People died not because Bush lied, he didn't, even the hillybeast said Saddam had to go, There is video around of her saying that during hearings WHILE Bill was Pres. They died because Rummy tried to fight WWII on the cheap, that pompus ass over ruled our military leadership on several occasions.
Now it appears the BEGINNING OF THE END is in sight , The Iraqi PEOPLE if not the govt. is getting a handle on things, places like Ramadi and Falluja are downright PEACEFULThe Marines have been talking for 5 or 6 months about shifting troops to Afghanistan. If the Iraqi's can hold things together for another couple years we can rightly claim that our job is done there. Of course within 6 months the Sunnis ,Shites and Kurds will be at each others throats but they have been for 4000 years so who really cares.
   As far as the rest of the world goes, We should kick out the UN, The only war they didn't lose was Korea and god knows they tried hard enough, otherwise they have been at best a waste and at worst a menace, ( example, When the Marines left Somalia the People loved the US, we had done what we said, organized and policed the releif mission and STAYED OUT OF INTER SOMALI AFFAIRS The fact that Aidid's son was a serving Corpral of Marines helped). They were replaced by American Army troops under command of a UN headed by a man who had a pesonal beef with Aidid they became involved in local affairs and the result was Blackhawk Down. Great book and movie but tottaly useless loss of life and prestige.
   We should leave Asia to the Asians and Europe to the Europeans, If Germany gets uppity again (They're about 10 years over due) We threaten to make them KEEP france this time. The proper instrument of world power nowadays is the corparation, Noone can face us on the battlefeild,so they won't, most of the future conflicts the US gets into will be little groups of like minded fanatics nipping at us whenever and where ever they can, just like Al-qeada, because that method is the one we are least adept at combating. Since the french and indian wars, before there WAS a US we have had to relearn that method of warfare every time we run into it. So lets take a lesson from Japan, Their business leaders read Sun Tzu and the book of Five rings NOT for the leadership lessons but becuase they see business as war on a differant front, 2 Wal-marts and a Home Depot can do more to destroy a way of life than all our special ops troops combined, look what they are doing to our own communities. In that way we can disengage from the rest of the worlds problems. We need to back our businesses,you burn our store ,we'll level your city, but otherwise ,Oh your starving in Sudan ,TOUGH , We're having a blue light special on oatmeal at K-Mart Buy or die.
  Basicly I think that the best argument for Disengagement is that we have no freinds among the other major nations except England (sometimes) We have friends among the small nations only when they need us, and our current crop of "Statesman" lack the guts for the type of back alley tactics required for modern "diplomacy"

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Re: Libertarians
« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2008, 11:48:18 AM »
Wisdom Spoken Tom!  +1

The US.mil aren't a glorified world police force.  If we were concerned with WMD sites, we should have pumped some iron bombs into where they were set up.  We had controlled Iraqi skies COMPLETELY since 1991.  A conventional bomb releasing death clouds from rupturing WMD labs would have been all the proof necessary.  Instead, Bush sat on his hands as convoys full of materials were exported to Syria. 

One swift interception of that convoy...

And don't get me started on all the experienced leadership Rumsfeld castrated from the Pentagon because his ego was so huge.

Oh well.  What if's and whatevers.  I want a Reagan-style conservative, not some religious fanatic trying to shove more government intrusion into the lives of citizens.

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Re: Libertarians
« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2008, 12:51:33 PM »
Teddy Roosevelt, Where are you when we need you

 

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