Remington's new 1911 on the cover of Shooting Times

[ericire12]

Its a gorgeous rendition of a traditional G.I. version. They are calling it model "R1"

MSRP $699

[Bidah]

They can't call it the "R1", they already have that.   

-Bidah

[fightingquaker13]

I've said it before and I'll say it again,"Will someone PLEASE come up with something new"? Even if its silly and we all mock it. I mean 4,000 1911 variants, and everyone and thier dog doing plastic pocket pistols? Yes thats what the market wants, but you don't make long term money by giving people what they want, you do it by giving them something they didn't know they wanted until you build it, cf. Apple with the I pod and I phone. I mean come on, Remington has all the money in the world to pay an R@D team to be the next John Moses Browning and change the world. What do we get? A new 1911, a hundred year old design. Browning himself would be disgusted by this. If he thought along those same lines he would have made the finest flintlock pistols on the planet. 
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[ellis4538]

See, I posted in anearlier thread that Remington was going to come out with a 1911!  It took them a little longer than I had been lead to believe.

FWIW

Richard

[PegLeg45]

FQ, as long as there is a healthy market for 1911's, and it ain't slowing down, companies will continue to try to get a piece of the big pie....I say let 'em.....it's more choices for those who appreciate a fine and ingenious design.

I DO agree theoretically with what you said about JMB. He was an innovator who thought so far ahead of, and outside, the normal confines of what others were doing. That is why so many of his designs are still benchmarks and in use today. That is a tremendous statement to him being a genius ahead of his time..... that no one has really and truly come up with a totally new concept that is readily marketable. I do think he would be astounded that the basic concepts are relatively unchanged in pistolcraft.


Personally, on pure function and aesthetics, IMHO, there will never be superior gun to the 1911 for what it was intended....but that is just MHO.

 

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[Timothy]

Surprise, I have an opinion on this one..

Working in design and manufacturing as long as I have now, I think that what we are lacking in this area is vision.  Browning had a vision of what he wanted and worked tirelessly until he achieved that goal.  Today, we have better technology, better design packages, software that will analyze the design, perform structural and stress analysis and point out design flaws before they ever get around to make parts but things don't seem to be evolving. 

We lack the vision of the folks like Edison, Ford, Browning, et al.....those men were brilliant not only in their own fields but in others as well.  If JMB had not been in the gun business, he would have excelled in any endeavor he undertook.

I've been working in this field for 30+ years and I've yet to meet one engineer who could make these men coffee!

[PegLeg45]

Surprise, I have an opinion on this one..

Working in design and manufacturing as long as I have now, I think that what we are lacking in this area is vision.  Browning had a vision of what he wanted and worked tirelessly until he achieved that goal.  Today, we have better technology, better design packages, software that will analyze the design, perform structural and stress analysis and point out design flaws before they ever get around to make parts but things don't seem to be evolving. 

We lack the vision of the folks like Edison, Ford, Browning, et al.....those men were brilliant not only in their own fields but in others as well.  If JMB had not been in the gun business, he would have excelled in any endeavor he undertook.

I've been working in this field for 30+ years and I've yet to meet one engineer who could make these men coffee!

Thanks, that was what I was rambling to try to get at........you said it better.   

[seeker_two]

In this regard, I respect Ruger for NOT following along with the pack and making a 1911 like all the "cool kids" have.....

....almost makes me forget the RugAR-15 thing.... 

[tombogan03884]

I've said it before and I'll say it again,"Will someone PLEASE come up with something new"? Even if its silly and we all mock it. I mean 4,000 1911 variants, and everyone and thier dog doing plastic pocket pistols? Yes thats what the market wants, but you don't make long term money by giving people what they want, you do it by giving them something they didn't know they wanted until you build it, cf. Apple with the I pod and I phone. I mean come on, Remington has all the money in the world to pay an R@D team to be the next John Moses Browning and change the world. What do we get? A new 1911, a hundred year old design. Browning himself would be disgusted by this. If he thought along those same lines he would have made the finest flintlock pistols on the planet.  
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one word.
 Rhino

Timothy, You said it well, especially about modern so called engineers not being in the same class.  They aren't even in the same school district.
Here's something to think about . We designed (Kelly Johnson did ) the SR 71, the USS Nimitz , the USS Nautilus, the Apollo space program and the Space Shuttle all using slide rules.
What have we done since ?    

[fightingquaker13]

I'm a bit confused by the RHINO remark as I am not, and never have been, nor plan to be a serious member of the Republican (or Democratic) party, nor have I pretended to be one, and I'm not sure of its relevance to the topic in any event. Still, I agree with the rest of your post. I mean seriously, it was less than 70 years from the first powered flight at Kitty Hawk to putting a man on the moon. Why are we still tweaking a 100 year old pistol design? Caseless amo, electronic ignition, hell why don't we have god damn phasers for that matter? It simply speaks to a lack of vision on the part of engineers and a lack of balls on the part of the MBA types to throw some money at those engineers that do have vision. JMB wasn't that smart. I refuse to believe that there aren't a bunch of folks just as smart as him who lack only funding from companies  like Ruger or Remington to get off the ground. Instead we get another AR or 1911. JMB and Stoner and Kalisnikov would walk into a board meeting and proceed to kick everyone's ass if they knew that their one hundred or fifty year old designs (respectively) were not made obsolete by people who thought like they did. Just my $.02.
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