New abortion Law for Oklahoma

[TAB]

no thats malpractice.

[MikeBjerum]

As CR said - This is a major hot button in the United States.  I have major feelings on the issue, that the blood if flowing down my chin from biting my lip ... not typing my feelings is one thing, but this Super 8 isn't built of concrete, and I don't want to wake the many truckers sleeping in the neighboring room.

Nuff said ... 

[fightingquaker13]

Agreed M58, but from the other side. I do hope we can agree that allowing a Doc. to withhold pertinent medical info, is at the very least unconscionable? Regardless, we all know where we stand here. Libertarian, social conservatives and those who are either on the fence or don't care about this issue. While I personally would like to visit OKC with some tar and feathers, its not germaine to the board. Lets let it go. There's more that unites us than divides us. Lets focus on that. Seriously, are Rastus and I ever convince one another of anything on this issue? Best we stick with guns.
FQ13

[tombogan03884]

I kind of take offense to this,   Some times things just happen.  You can be practicing good  birth control, and still get pregant.


The harder you make it for people to  legally get abortions, the more likly they are to get a illegal one.  I don't need to tell you the safety risks envoled with that.


Just like the gun control debate, its all emotion, little to no facts used.


PS the fact that the  abortion is legally a type of birth control bothers me, nothing esle about it does.

TAB nailed this one, and considering his own recent travails I think he is probably the only one here with a valid opinion.

[crusader rabbit]

CR, let me be sure I understand your point.  Are you saying that if you think your 16 year old is, for instance, a disrespectful, non-productive sociopath who will end up in a bell tower with a Model 700 before they ever come close to contributing to society, that the best option for all is a quick shot to the head with a .45?

Not that I disagree...just that I want to be sure I understand.

That may be an over-generalization of my opinion, but, yeah.  That's about how I feel.

Crusader

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[Rastus]

TAB nailed this one, and considering his own recent travails I think he is probably the only one here with a valid opinion.

Is it that it has to be recent or that it has to be experienced?  It's not an uncommon experience losing a baby; quite a few people have experienced that and worse during pregnancy, my wife and I among them.  More than a couple on the board exchanged on that terrible thread that TAB posted that they had experienced like tragedy.  

Yes TAB...I do know about the "natural cycle"...it's natural, not unnatural and I would venture to say everyone who went through something like you and your wife went through know this too.

[Solus]

That may be an over-generalization of my opinion, but, yeah.  That's about how I feel.

Crusader

I understand.  I have often read or heard of examples of truly miserable offspring and wanted to post that it should be the parents responsibility, not only their right, to put down such deviant offspring.

Not that I'd ever want to see a law enforcing or condoning that responsibility.

[crusader rabbit]

I understand.  I have often read or heard of examples of truly miserable offspring and wanted to post that it should be the parents responsibility, not only their right, to put down such deviant offspring.

Not that I'd ever want to see a law enforcing or condoning that responsibility.

Yaknow, I wasn't always the best dad who ever fathered a child.  But, my kid grew up knowing right from wrong, believing in personal responsibility, and recognizing the value of education and hard work.  She and her husband now own a start-up company that employs a growing number of people and they have found time to present me with an outstanding young grandson and another as yet undertermined boy or girl arriving next September.  Yet, even with this outstanding record of achievement, there were many times I threatened to send my kid to a Tibetan Nunnery high in the Himalayas where the Mother Superior has the reputation for being able to shoot the balls off a yak at 1000 yards.  Soooo, the point is, my commentary was made somewhat tongue-in-cheek and should not be taken as a literal reflection of my innermost feelings.  Just thought I clarify things for those who may not share Crusader's sense of humor.

[r_w]

Didn't mean to offend you, TAB.

I was thinking of the hypocrisy of her statement being applied only after she is pregnant.

What gets me is it is one more attempt to remove consequences.  But you can't.  Thinking you can is an emotional timebomb. 

To me life begins at conception and only in cases like TAB's is abortion justified.  But it is easy to say until it is my wife and I that are faced with the decision.

[Rastus]

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To me life begins at conception and only in cases like TAB's is abortion justified.  But it is easy to say until it is my wife and I that are faced with the decision.

There has never been a problem with making the tough decision when the life of the mother is at stake.  We've been educated by abortion forces that it was a terrible and constantly recurring issue...but it is an issue that never was.  Not to say there was no incidence of it, just that it was never a widespread issue.  What saving the life of the mother really was...it was a typical liberal fearmongering for a problem that just did not exist for the population as a whole. 

Sort of like the justification so that someone can "provide a good and decent life" for their child and they can't now so it's OK....life itself is justification alone.