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Obama takes immigration reform off agenda
« on: April 29, 2010, 07:19:50 PM »
  By SUZANNE GAMBOA, Associated Press Writer Suzanne Gamboa, Associated Press Writer   – 1 hr 9 mins ago

WASHINGTON – Immigration reform has become the first of President Barack Obama's major priorities dropped from the agenda of an election-year Congress facing voter disillusionment. Sounding the death knell was Obama himself.

The president noted that lawmakers may lack the "appetite" to take on immigration while many of them are up for re-election and while another big legislative issue — climate change — is already on their plate.

"I don't want us to do something just for the sake of politics that doesn't solve the problem," Obama told reporters Wednesday night aboard Air Force One.

Immigration reform was an issue Obama promised Latino groups that he would take up in his first year in office. But several hard realities — a tanked economy, a crowded agenda, election-year politics and lack of political will — led to so much foot-dragging in Congress that, ultimately, Obama decided to set the issue aside.

With that move, the president calculated that an immigration bill would not prove as costly to his party two years from now, when he seeks re-election, than it would today, even though some immigration reformers warned that a delay could so discourage Democratic-leaning Latino voters that they would stay home from the polls in November.

Some Democrats thought pushing a bill through now might help their party, or at least their own re-election prospects.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, whose campaign is struggling in heavily Hispanic Nevada, unveiled an outline — not legislation — on Thursday for an immigration bill at a packed news conference. Asked when it might advance, he declined to set an "arbitrary deadline."

If immigration goes nowhere this year, Democrats can blame Republican resistance, though in reality many Democrats didn't want to deal with an immigration bill this year either.

The Democrats' draft proposal, obtained by The Associated Press on Tuesday, called for, among other things, meeting border security benchmarks before anyone in the country illegally can become a legal permanent U.S. resident.

Obama praised the outline and said the next step is ironing out a bill. He said his administration will "play an active role" trying to get bipartisan supporters.

Republican Sens. Jon Kyl of Arizona and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, who had been working with Democrats on immigration reform, criticized the proposal as "nothing more than an attempt to score political points."

By Wednesday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi offered little hope that the issue was still alive on Capitol Hill.

"If there is going to be any movement in this regard, it will require presidential leadership, as well as an appetite, is that the word? ... as well as a willingness to move forward in the Congress," she said.

House Republican leader John Boehner was more blunt. "There is not a chance that immigration is going to move through the Congress," he said Tuesday.

Rep. Luis Gutierrez, the Democrats' leading advocate for immigration reform, has said he voted for health care reform on the understanding that Obama and congressional Democrats would move a major immigration bill.

Even though he would like to see Latinos turn out to vote for Democrats in 2010, Gutierrez said "many will probably decide to stay home." However, he added, a strict, new immigration law in Arizona may change that dynamic. The law requires law enforcement officers to question anyone they suspect is in the country illegally.

"On one hand you are not going to vote because you don't believe people you voted for are doing a good enough job," Gutierrez said. "Then you say, 'I got to vote, because the enemy is so mean and vindictive, I got to get out there.'"

The Hispanic vote is growing, largely because of Latinos' increasing population. The 9.7 million Latinos who cast ballots in 2008 made up about 7.4 percent of the electorate, according to a 2009 Pew Research Center study.

Hispanic voters helped flip the battleground states of Colorado, Florida, Nevada and New Mexico from Republican to Democratic in the 2008 presidential election.

But even though Latinos' numbers have been increasing, in some parts of the country their portions of voting populations are not large enough to affect election outcomes.

Democrats hold a 254-177 majority in the House, with four vacancies. But 48 are in districts where Republican Arizona Sen. John McCain did better than Obama in the 2008 elections.

Matt Angle, a Democratic political strategist focused on Texas, said it would be worse for Democrats to propose a bill that has no hope of passing or getting Republican support. Doing so would allow Republicans to cherry-pick parts of the bill to use against Democratic candidates, he said.

The Senate also has a number of competitive races, some in states with significant numbers of Hispanic voters, such as in Nevada, Reid's home state. Latinos are about 12-15 percent of likely voters there.

"For Democrats it is critical they can deliver if they want to continue nurturing the support they want from this community," said Clarissa Martinez De Castro, National Council of La Raza immigration and national campaigns director.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100429/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_immigration_politics

He knows what he wants is a loser so he'll hold off until after mid-terms.
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Re: Obama takes immigration reform off agenda
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2010, 07:39:57 PM »
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"I don't want us to do something just for the sake of politics that doesn't solve the problem,"

Yeah, right! Just like Obamacare got SHOVED down our throats and behind our backs! Chicago gangster politics, AGAIN! Only to be hidden in a "healthcare" or "PACT ACT" bill, AGAIN!  This man manipulates us and thinks the "normal" folks are too stupid to understand WTF he's doing? He only wants to hush us up on the AZ immigration law they passed to quell the votes from the ILLEGALS!

GOD, I pray for a Fred Thompson/Sarah Palin ticket!
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Re: Obama takes immigration reform off agenda
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2010, 07:43:55 PM »
This is classic American politics. Its called Crititical Realignment Theory. It goes right back to the Founding. Shorthand is this. A new political force, generally a new, politically signifiant minority of voters show up on the scene, motivated by a new issue. They demand a change in the status quo. One of four things happens.
1) both parties duck the issue, and the new voters go home or form a third party.
2) the third party works, this happened when the Federaists became the Whigs and the GOP became the replacement to the Whigs, it failed with TR.
3) both parties embace these voters and a new issue is argued about in terms of degree, not whether it wil happen (say the New Deal between Dems and the GOP).
4) one party embraces it and the other rejects it. This shifts a significant voting block more or less permenantly to one party and polarizes a new issue. Think of blacks with the Dems or Christian Conservatives with the GOP.

Now, both parties are trying to figure out what to do about immigration. Both want to add the latinos to their base by pursuing amnesty. Let us hope that both will see its a bad idea and walk away. Blacks hate it on the Dem side, and Right Wingers hate it from the GOP. But Catholic voters and multi-culltural libs like it for the Dems and the Chamber of Commerce and Farm Bureau like it from the GOP. We will hope patriots from both parties say enough and just call it a wash. If they don't, there will be great change, either the Dems becoming the party of blacks and latinos and losing the white vote (a bad idea since neither group actually bothers to vote), or the GOP figuring they can keep the Cubans and keep playing along with their corporate masters by acquiescing to amnesty like Reagan did. In which case we get bad immigration law and maybe a serious new populist paty.
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Re: Obama takes immigration reform off agenda
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2010, 07:49:56 PM »
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"I don't want us to do something just for the sake of politics that doesn't solve the problem,"

GOD, I pray for a Fred Thompson/Sarah Palin ticket!
Well, you're going to have to wake Fred up from his nap, if his '08 performance is any indication. As far as Sarah, just like Fred, she didn't really like governing. Better to quit and get paid millions to be a celeb and give speeches than actually complete her term. I'm not blaming her, its hard to reject a 7 figure salary. Still, I doubt there will be a shortage of folks (particularly in a GOP primary) asking"Why did you quit halfway through your term again? Can we trust you not to quit if you become President?". They're both done. I'd look to someone like Jindal if I were you.
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Re: Obama takes immigration reform off agenda
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2010, 07:59:05 PM »

"I don't want us to do something just for the sake of politics that doesn't solve the problem," Obama told reporters Wednesday night aboard Air Force One.



Still shaking my head on that one,....

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Now, both parties are trying to figure out what to do about immigration


Everything except enforce current law. "Same As It Ever Was"......
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Re: Obama takes immigration reform off agenda
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2010, 08:01:02 PM »
don't need immigration reform at the moment - they are about to get hundreds of thousands of new (democrat) voters via Puerto Rico.
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Re: Obama takes immigration reform off agenda
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2010, 08:02:42 PM »
You are a smart man, FQ!    :P

So how and why did this legislation get past us common folk and get passed?  I pride myself, being a gun owner and 2A advocate, on KNOWING the legislation and issues that come before state and federal legislature. Since this so-called messiah has taken office, this type of legislation has been relatively hush-hush! Is this the result of his very-little experience in politics, or more from his very-little experience in FEDERAL issues? (I personnally think it's from his Chicago, gangster-style exposure to politics "in general!"

I welcome all answers, as I have never been exposed to this type of deception in my 46yrs.

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Re: Obama takes immigration reform off agenda
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2010, 08:06:52 PM »
What legislation? I thought we were talking about immigration reform, the one that is NOT going to get voted on?
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Re: Obama takes immigration reform off agenda
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2010, 08:15:58 PM »
The healthcare issue that got passed? The PACT ACT that got signed and passed? All of these "hidden" issues that seem to go through that us "general public" don't seem to hear much, if ANYTHING, about? Is that not a gangster style tactic?

And they say the mafia/gangsters don't exist anymore!
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Re: Obama takes immigration reform off agenda
« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2010, 08:21:56 PM »
I have zero good to say about either. Yeah it is a sleazy tactic. We just got ultrasound abortion crap here in Fl.. It was crammed inside a nursing home reform bill, right where you'd expect to find abortion law >:(. Don't tell me the GOP's hands are clean here. Ganster, damn straight. Do you prefer the Crips or the Bloods? f..k them both.
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