Open letter to Ted Nugent - I’ll join the NRA when . . .

[m25operator]

Interesting about the NRA, Reagan, and the BATFE...

Hmmmm...

Is this really true? Not that there is a reason to doubt it, just wondering if the interpretation is accurate.

I do think it is accurate, and now to a thread drift, just a little bit, it is important to get a hard core Secretary of the Treasury, who over sees and commands the BATFE, G Gordon Liddy was the SOT under Nixon, and stopped a lot of stuff, stone cold, by simply saying, that is against the 2nd Amendment, no fanfare, just NO. Then take Lloyd Bentsen, unfortunately from Texas, who had a good career until he got mixed up with Clinton, who by the stroke of pen, made the USAS 12, the Spas 12 and the Street Sweeper shotguns, class 3.

We need to make this a point in electing our next president, its not just him or her, but who they chose for their cabinet, especially SOT. Don't bash G Gordon, he admitted what he did, did not rat out the others and paid his dues, including offering himself up to assassination for the greater good.

[fightingquaker13]

Don't bash G Gordon, he admitted what he did, did not rat out the others and paid his dues, including offering himself up to assassination for the greater good.

I aree with all that, except the not ratting out part. Its no different than ghetto "no snitch'in". I will not lie cheat or steal, NOR TOLERATE THOSE WHO DO. That's my beef wih Liddy, and to some degree with Ollie. Honor sometimes demands overcoming personal and political loyalties.
FQ13

[m25operator]

A quote from Bon fire of the Vanities, a really good movie by the way. " if the truth will not set you free, Then lie ". FQ I do believe in honor, and stand by it everyday, even when it would be easier not to. And since G Gordon was an officer he did take that oathe as did Oliver, I do recommend reading " Under Fire " that is Ollies book and " Will " G Gordons book, I don't think you will disappointed, it go's a long way in describing each mans passion and grit. Not to mention, Ollie told congress about Bin Laden, a long time ago. Point is, would you put Honor above purpose, when in the serpents den?

[tombogan03884]

G Gordan Liddy was NOT the Secretary of anything, He's a felon . Convicted of breaking into the Watergate Hotel  

I aree with all that, except the not ratting out part. Its no different than ghetto "no snitch'in". I will not lie cheat or steal, NOR TOLERATE THOSE WHO DO. That's my beef wih Liddy, and to some degree with Ollie. Honor sometimes demands overcoming personal and political loyalties.
FQ13

Lying, Cheating, and stealing are completely un acceptable in the line of duty. Keeping your mouth shut, taking the fifth, as part of the assigned job are absolute NO NO's.
But killing is OK ?

Personally I'd lie, cheat, steal or kill without hesitation to get the job done.
Funny thing is, what the libs f-ucked Ollie for, trying to "do Business" with Irans "moderates".
Is now Obummers stated policy.

[fightingquaker13]

G Gordan Liddy was NOT the Secretary of anything, He's a felon . Convicted of breaking into the Watergate Hotel  

Lying, Cheating, and stealing are completely un acceptable in the line of duty. Keeping your mouth shut, taking the fifth, as part of the assigned job are absolute NO NO's.
But killing is OK ?.

According to the service academies and every ROTC program? Yes, and it has been since West Point was founded. Lying to the enemy, good for you. Lying to lawful authority? You lose.
Not a hard concept. Ollie and Liddy both thought they were above the law because of what they believed, and the fact that President had given them (at least in their own minds) reason to think they were above the law. Thats not how it works in a republic.
FQ13

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[twyacht]

Ollie and Liddy both thought they were above the law because of what they believed, and the fact that President had given them (at least in their own minds) reason to think they were above the law. Thats not how it works in a republic.
FQ13

and you can base your critical assessment, and opinion on what? Hindsight being 20/20???

Remembering Van Halen's " Right Now" tune,   that quoted "our gov't is doing only things we think 3rd world countries do."

BUT unless we are there, in the moment, someone has to fall, someone will get thrown under the bus, and it was Liddy and Ollie.

But study your historical analysis FQ, even GWB will come out being a better POTUS than BHO any day. Even Cheney, Rice, and the "evil" Rumsfeld.....

[fightingquaker13]

Ollie and Liddy both thought they were above the law because of what they believed, and the fact that President had given them (at least in their own minds) reason to think they were above the law. Thats not how it works in a republic.
FQ13

and you can base your critical assessment, and opinion on what? Hindsight being 20/20???

Remembering Van Halen's " Right Now" tune,   that quoted "our gov't is doing only things we think 3rd world countries do."

BUT unless we are there, in the moment, someone has to fall, someone will get thrown under the bus, and it was Liddy and Ollie.

But study your historical analysis FQ, even GWB will come out being a better POTUS than BHO any day. Even Cheney, Rice, and the "evil" Rumsfeld.....

Actually, I base my assesment on three things.
1) Both men swore an oath to the Constitution.
2) Statutory laws against B&E and conspiracy in Liddys case, and the Boland Ammendment which said no more money to the Contras in Ollie's case were lawfully and Constitutionally passed and promulgated..
3) Both men acknowledged their knowledge of wrongdoing by their actions. Liddy offering Haldeman the opportunity to "shoot him on any street corner" and Ollie's trying to smuggle shreaded documents out of his office. Both realized they had broken the law and took active steps to cover it up.
What part of this is hard to understand? If this had been a liquor store heist you'd convict them both. Instead, because they are are your team, they break the law they swore to uphold, and you're covering for them? I call BS. TW, I don't call names on this board very often, and I won't now because I like you. Still, the H word is floating around out there. Are we a government of laws or men? Its just that simple.
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[tombogan03884]

You are so full of crap FQ.
We all know that just like with the Bay of Pigs and the Castro assassination attempts.
The President said do it, so they did it, and when it fell apart they took the crap and kept their mouths shut so that 20 or 30 years later some Professor could pontificate about "ethics".    .

[blackwolfe]

When the crap hits the fan I'll take Liddy and Ollie on my team anyday.  You can have bHo, Bidden, Pelosie, et al.

[fightingquaker13]

Tom, TW and Blackwolf
You are saying that if BO orders his underlings to violate the law and constitution to suit his FP, or DP objectives its OK? Or is it only conservatives who get that priviledge? I'll go ahead and use the H word. Smells like Hypocrisy around here. No BS Tom, all the kings horses? Or are we a republic of laws? Make the call. We can't have one rule for Presidents we like and one for Presidents we don't, or its welcome to the 3rd world.
FQ13 who will stand his ground on this one. The law, without fear or favor. KMA if you don't like it.