Hey Quaker - What do you have against the Tea Party?

[fightingquaker13]

I think it is also the fact that the people of AZ really like the guy.



*Step back from the emotion and re-read your posts in this thread again as if someone else wrote them about some other politician in some other state.... can you see how that approach on a macro level has given incumbents a 90% re-election rate and how it has gotten us into the place where "vote the bums out" has become such a household phrase? I totally get what you are saying and I am not trying to say you are wrong (I would not vote for a Dem to oust McCain), but my feeling is that the best thing we could do for our country is to get ALL the career politicians out of office.

And again, the earth stands still. Eric and I agree politically! Everyone hates Congress. They also like their Congressman, largely because he is "effective" (translation brings home the bacon). Until we can do what Eric suggests and look at our own reps of whichever party with detachment and say "So long and thanks for the fish", we are spinning our wheels.
FQ13

[billt]

Your first sentence is correct. A lot of retired people live here, and most like McCain because they are comfortable with him. He has always been big on Medicare and S.S. issues.

I can face facts about incumbents. You will never get them all out of office. It will never happen. What is brewing to happen in November is about as close as you're going to get. That's the way it is. You are not going to overhaul an entire government because people got pissed 18 months into a $h!tty administration. I don't think term limits would necessarily be a good thing because the political climate could change too quickly. Look at the Second Amendment. You get a whole new crew in every 2 years and what is going to happen to it? Get a big liberal take over for 2 years and they could do harm that couldn't be reversed.

Look at Hussein's health care bill. It will be all but impossible to reverse. It never should have happened in the first place. But these idiot's wanted "change". Sure, now they're crying, too little too late. Term limits are not the answer, and the "throw all the bums out" attitude will never happen. Having more than 2 parties is not an answer because no matter who gets elected 2/3's of the people will hate his guts.

It's best to work within the system we've got. It is the best form of government yet devised. Sometimes it just doesn't seem that way when you get a bunch of idiot's in there like we've got now, or had for that matter with Bush. When a Republican is in the dems say it sucks. When the dems are in we whine. That will never stop regardless of what you do to the system.  Bill T.

[tombogan03884]

Hate to be the A hole that points this out, (Not really,    )
But since this is PRIMARY season, ( the Elections are in Nov. ) the RINO's are not running against the Dem candidate's, but against other Republicans.
This is the time to take back the party, do not let the bum get on the ballet in Nov.

[ericire12]

I think term limits would stop the curroption in washington, and end our elected representatives thumbing their nose at their constituents. It would not allow people to get filthy rich by being in "public service" and it would result in people that want to be there for the good of the nation. It would also go a very long way to stop the hijacking of our country that is taking place right now.

You make a good point about volatility, but the flip side of that coin is that extremists like Ted Kennedy, Pelosi, Schummer, etc would only be there a couple of years and the damage they could do would be minimal.... Just imagine if Obama was not facing term limits in the Oval Office.



P.S. I am also in favor of term limits for laws (not the constitution/bill of rights/amendments made to the constitution)... If the law is not worthwhile enough to renew every few years, then let it die (ex: Clinton AWB)

[billt]

Just imagine if Obama was not facing term limits in the Oval Office.

He's a one term President with or without term limits. His approval rating, along with his inability to care what the public wants or thinks will assure his demise. It is also going to prove the undoing of several incumbents without term limits, or a "throw the bums out" philosophy. Barbara Boxer and Harry Reid to name just two. Our system corrects itself. It may take awhile in some cases, but politics can't run on emotion. It gets to volatile. You can't have a quick change government with musical chairs for all laws and legislators. It would be anarchy.

People say the same thing about the Electro College. Remove it and you'll remove the vote from rural America and the much more liberal left wing cities would rule the country unchecked. If you study our system it always seem to survive the armchair quarterbacking. There is a reason why.  Bill T.

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[fightingquaker13]

People say the same thing about the Electro College. Remove it and you'll remove the vote from rural America and the much more liberal left wing cities would rule the country unchecked. If you study our system it always seem to survive the armchair quarterbacking. There is a reason why.  Bill T.

Damn Bill! Have you been reading my lecture notes? I give that one t least twice a year and have been for the last 15 years. I'd say well said, but it would sound like bragging.
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[tt11758]

People say the same thing about the Electro College. Remove it and you'll remove the vote from rural America and the much more liberal left wing cities would rule the country unchecked. If you study our system it always seem to survive the armchair quarterbacking. There is a reason why.  Bill T.

I guess the moral of the story is that the Founding Fathers were smarter than we are, and REALLY knew what the hell they were doing.  

I fear your comment about the post turtle being a one-term POTUS may be premature, however.  If the Republicans pick up the number of seats that look probable this fall, we may be stuck with BHO for a 2nd term.  Here's why I say that:  A Republican majority in one or both houses next session would shut down BHO's ability to continue to shove his socialist agenda down the throats of "we the people".  My fear is that voters have a short memory.  If BHO is neutered by a Republican Congress, by the time 2012 rolls around a lot of people may have not only forgotten WHY they were pissed two years earlier, but forgotten about even BEING pissed.  Combine that with the fact that in 2008 the idiot demonstrated his abilities as a campaigner, and we may have a recipe for a 2nd term for the "Windy City's Favorite F**khead"!  If that occurs, especially if there is a democrat rebound in Congressional seats in 2012, the following 4 years could be a VERY bumpy ride for this country.  I pray that I'm wrong.  I pray that I'm overthinking this shit.

[ericire12]

I guess the moral of the story is that the Founding Fathers were smarter than we are, and REALLY knew what the hell they were doing. 

I fear your comment about the post turtle being a one-term POTUS may be premature, however.  If the Republicans pick up the number of seats that look probable this fall, we may be stuck with BHO for a 2nd term.  Here's why I say that:  A Republican majority in one or both houses next session would shut down BHO's ability to continue to shove his socialist agenda down the throats of "we the people".  My fear is that voters have a short memory.  If BHO is neutered by a Republican Congress, by the time 2012 rolls around a lot of people may have not only forgotten WHY they were pissed two years earlier, but forgotten about even BEING pissed.  Combine that with the fact that in 2008 the idiot demonstrated his abilities as a campaigner, and we may have a recipe for a 2nd term for the "Windy City's Favorite F**khead"!  If that occurs, especially if there is a democrat rebound in Congressional seats in 2012, the following 4 years could be a VERY bumpy ride for this country.  I pray that I'm wrong.  I pray that I'm overthinking this shit.

You are exactly right. Clinton had very poor approval ratings his 1st term as well, and then once GOP took over congress it became a defacto small govt b/c of gridlock and people were more then happy to sign bubba up for another term.

[billt]

If we did get him for a second term it would be as you say with a GOP House and Senate. That isn't so bad because it causes political gridlock. I don't know about you, but I'm real comfortable having all of these guys bitch at one another and do nothing, rather than what they're doing now.  Bill T.

[fightingquaker13]

If we did get him for a second term it would be as you say with a GOP House and Senate. That isn't so bad because it causes political gridlock. I don't know about you, but I'm real comfortable having all of these guys bitch at one another and do nothing, rather than what they're doing now.  Bill T.

Indeed. The government that governs least governs best. I'll take gridlock over someone with an ambitious agenda that they can get passed by a docile Congress any day. As evidence I'll offer W.'s tax cuts, with no spending cuts to offset them and BOs health care.
FQ13 who has, after deliberation, come to see divided government as a good thing.