Ruger LCR Kaboom

[rich642z]

Ruger did have some problems with the first batches of the LCR when they first came out.  The top strap was not hardened enough to specks that is why the person on the youtube vid had one of those first batches of the LCR.   Now, the gun[revolvers of the LCR are working fine.  I work parttime for a relative that took over my wholesale shop after I got sick and counldnt work anymore. So,now,when our handguns come in,I test fire them to make sure nothing is wrong.  If it is,the gun gets sent back.  So far,on the LCR,I have only sent back 3 of the new .357s.   The firing pin wasnt long enough to hit the primer.   A mistake from the factory and 3 new ones came in replacement of the 3 I sent back and no problem now.

[tombogan03884]

From experience in manufacturing I guarantee you that those short firing pins were operator error that  he or she slipped past the inspectors.
The inspectors check one part every so often, usually your first piece of the shift, then one spot check before lunch and another after lunch. It is the operators responsibility to check parts on a set schedule, usually every 10th piece.
However, Manufacturing Managers, being penny pinching bean counters, the Operator stands just as much chance of getting fired for "to much scrap" as he does for letting it go. it is not in the workers best interest to scrap junk parts, those usually are caught in assembly because they don't fit, but with a firing pin being to short, the assembler would never know unless it happened to be one of the ones that got test fired.
I had a Dept supervisor named Kenny Lantz at T/C Arms tell me "Go ahead and send the junk, we have a lifetime replacement warranty, We have to make the ship date, we can fix the customers gun later."

[TAB]

Tom, I could not put up with crap like that.

If it does not work, it does not work.

[Timothy]

Manufacturing Managers, being penny pinching bean counters, the Operator stands just as much chance of getting fired for "to much scrap" as he does for letting it go.

Other than GM, thirty years ago, I've only had one boss in the last three decades that required you to stop and make sure the parts were correct on the line.

It's another product of NAFTA, we can't compete with countries that will ship anything and everything they manufacture, regardless of how much crap they produce.

And yes, it pisses me off to the point of wanting to scream.

"There is never enough time to do it right but always enough time to do it twice!"

[billt]

Other than GM, thirty years ago, I've only had one boss in the last three decades that required you to stop and make sure the parts were correct on the line.

In parts I produce for the aerospace industry, for companies like Bell Helicopter and Hamilton Sundstrand, if I knowingly produced one single part that I knew was knowingly defective, and engaged in action to pass a knowingly defective part through inspection, and into the customers hands, and placed into service. I could not only be fired, but face criminal prosecution as well if it involved the loss of aircraft, payload and or crew.

 This is as it should be. Is their any difference if a soldier finds out in combat he has a too short firing pin, or a helo pilot who finds out his collective won't produce proper pitch? In combat things have to be made right. I consider a citizen who buys a Glock from Cabela's for self defense as much "in combat" as a helo pilot on the stick at 2:00 AM in Afghanistan.   Bill T.

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[Timothy]

AS 9100 standards are as strict as the Nuclear Safety related or Navy Sub Safe systems, maybe more so!  I made parts for the gas turbine industry myself the last five years or so.

Make the parts right or pay the consequences.

[tombogan03884]

This company I'm at now is certified ISO and AS, because Sergeant Controls is one of our main customers.
I have been friends with the QA inspector for years, he does not get raises.
He just got a review today, what the recently departed QA manager wrote about him had been torn out of the form and replaced by what amounts to a hate mail rant. Things rated 1 - 5  with 1 being the worst, He got 2's and 3's,.
The reason ? I have witnessed him telling the owner and his son "I'm not signing off on that piece of junk, if it goes, it will be on YOUR signature, not mine."

That part got shipped 

[Big Frank]

We used to stamp out parts from rusty steel. None of us wanted to run it. The inspector said not to but the foreman said to go ahead and run it. Then we ended up scrapping out the parts we were all paid to run instead of throwing out the bad blanks.

[billt]

Back around 2002 I worked for a family owned local company who produced Nitrous Oxide, ("Laughing Gas") anesthetic systems for the dental industry. These units fell into production requirements set by the Food & Drug Administration. Their standards can be just as tight as the aerospace industry in regards to quality control. Anyway, we had several of these units that the quality control inspector flagged as bad because they did not flow the proper amount of gas at different settings. The plant manager overrode him and shipped the units anyway. The inspector contacted the FDA and told them exactly what he had found, and what the plant manager did as a result. He was honest about what he did, and was fired immediately as a result.

This ended up in a full scale criminal investigation that included a 6 digit law suit by the inspector against the company in question. The plant manager was fired before it was all over, and the company was put on probation for an extended period of time. They ended up spending tens of thousands on a specialized legal staff to defend them who were based in Washington D.C. It was a real mess. When you produce crap and try and sell it as viable goods, bad things can happen quickly. Especially in today's lawyer infested world.   Bill T.

[tombogan03884]

The last Company I worked for made medical devices for internal use.
Bill is not exaggerating, if anything, he is understating how serious it is to over rule QA.
Look at the first Space Shuttle explosion, people at the O ring factory went to prison for that one.