Come To Jamaica And Feel Alright !

[billt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcCZuyQDLRk

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37381797/ns/world_news-americas

[fightingquaker13]

Lets see, that's Colombia, Mexico, Panama, the Golden Triangle, northern Afghanistan (though it was already screwed up), and now Jamaica. So, how's that drug war working out for you?
FQ13 who really, really wants the beating head against a wall smiley here. Help me out M'lette?
How long before this wends its way back to "Babylon"? Jah wonders.

[billt]

They're looking for one guy, kill 73, and the guy they're looking for gets away?? Sounds like Obama or Carter devised the plan.  Bill T

[fightingquaker13]

They're looking for one guy, kill 73, and the guy they're looking for gets away?? Sounds like Obama or Carter devised the plan.  Bill T

He's "one guy" in the same way Osama Bin Laden or Pablo Escobar were "one guy".Jamaica is an "interesting" place. Back in the seventies, post independence, the political parties created armed militias/gangs in slums, called Garrisons, to do what you would expect them to do. Eg, beat, shoot and intimidate rivals. Oddly enough they soon said sod that for a game of soldiers and started selling dope. They still had a certain amount of political protection though. The guy they're after was the leader of the ruling party's gang. Hence the delay in serving the warrant that would lead to extradition. Its almost exactly like Esobar's cartel in Colombia. These guys own those neighborhoods. Think Black Hawk Down in terms of the Ibn Ghadir Clan ruling that part of Mogadishu. For reference read "Killing Pablo". Its an excellent book written by the author of Black Hawk Down, in much the same style. Same as it ever was. Read that book and tell me what a good idea the drug war is.
FQ13 who will put on his shades, slip on his loafers, sans socks, and wish he'd bought the Bren Ten he'd found at a gunshow a few years back.

[Big Frank]

A drug lord named Mr. Coke. 

[Sponsor]

[billt]

A drug lord named Mr. Coke.  

    And they can't find him.       Bill T.

[twyacht]

and yet the Rasta's, in the Blue Mountains still could care less.

It's Aye righ bro,...

  And they can't find him.       Bill T.

Living on the mountaintops....

  Where's my Rum?

[tombogan03884]

Is "Mr Coke" chillin' on Rum Cay ?

Lets see, that's Colombia, Mexico, Panama, the Golden Triangle, northern Afghanistan (though it was already screwed up), and now Jamaica. So, how's that drug war working out for you?
FQ13 who really, really wants the beating head against a wall smiley here. Help me out M'lette?
How long before this wends its way back to "Babylon"? Jah wonders.

Totally agree about "Killing Pablo" . Stories about battles are easy to keep interesting and "Blackhawk Down" kept you very interested, Mark Bowden repeated that success as a writer in "Killing Pablo". He has access to people from groups like Centre Spike, even the anti Pablo death squad " Los Pepe's".
 READ THE BOOK !  

[billt]

Is "Mr Coke" chillin' on Rum Cay ?

Totally agree about "Killing Pablo" . Stories about battles are easy to keep interesting and "Blackhawk Down" kept you very interested, Mark Bowden repeated that success as a writer in "Killing Pablo". He has access to people from groups like Centre Spike, even the anti Pablo death squad " Los Pepe's".
 READ THE BOOK !  

The History Channel has aired a 2 hour special called, "The True Story Of Killing Pablo" several times. They should have killed him right off the bat. Instead they chose to screw with him for years, and all he did was take advantage of the system over and over. In short, they trusted him. Big mistake. It took 2 hours to tell the "story" of all of his antics. If they put a bullet in him they would have saved hundreds, if not thousands of lives, not to mention an airliner full of innocent people. I can think of several people like that today. The difference is they have balls, and we don't.

When dealing with people like this we need to lose the silly mentality that if we simply kill them at the first avaliable opportunity, "We are behaving no better than they are". People need to remember you have to be alive to "behave" at all. The U.S. politicians have as much blood on their hands as Escobar in that regard. As far as "Blackhawk Down", it represents yet another total failure of this nation fixated with this "save the world" attitude. There are some places in this world not worth "saving". Somalia is most certainly one of them. Another hell hole that cost many lives because of stupid politicians, (i.e. Bill Clinton), trying to score political points in some stupid, abstract way by "Doing the noble thing". They're still starving over there, and the gang lords got richer selling all of the airlifted food on the black market. Our soldiers died over there for absolutely nothing. Most regrettable and foolish. We never seem to learn.  Bill T.

[tombogan03884]

I'm going to drift this thread a bit (Big surprise, right ?    )
When we first went into Somalia the Marines landed under US command and had the job ONLY of seeing that food distribution was not interfered with, they took no sides and used Aidids son (he was a Corporal in the Marines ) as a go between with his father, who was leader of the strongest single force in the country.
After some initial problems that required the Marines to kick a little butt the Somali's developed a lasting respect for the Marines.
Then they were withdrawn, replaced by Rangers under UN Command.
The fact of the matter is that the only reason UN troops targeted Farrah Aidid's militia was because Kofi Anan, then Sec. Gen. of the UN had a personal hatred for Aidid.  That was what caused them to turn toward OBL, and destroyed any hope of fixing Somalia in the foreseeable future.
(When Aidid was killed his son went AWOL from Camp LeJuene and has been running the clan ever since.  )