Hollow-point bullets OK'd for post police

[MikeO]

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2010/05/army_hollowpoint_051710w/

Hollow-point bullets OK'd for post police
By Joe Gould - Staff Reporter
Posted : Wednesday May 19, 2010 8:42:25 EDT

The Army's provost marshal has approved the use of jacketed hollow-point
bullets for law enforcement officers on Army installations in the U.S., a
decision that comes after a gunman opened fire at the Pentagon in March and
a deadly shooting spree at Fort Hood in November, and almost a year to the
day after the fatal shootings at Camp Liberty, Iraq.
The rounds are said to be more lethal and carry less risk for bystanders
because they lose velocity on impact. The new policy, issued May 10, asserts
installation police "require the tools necessary to secure our posts, camps,
and stations from both internal and external active shooter threats."

With hollow tips and several lines of weakness, these rounds deform and
fragment upon striking a hard-tissue target. Mushrooming into a larger
diameter, the rounds create a larger wound cavity but penetrates only up to
13 inches versus ball ammo, which penetrates up to 24 inches.

A 2009 study of hollow-point-related head wounds in the journal Military
Medicine found that these would create tough wounds to treat. They found
embolisms and bullet fragments in the path of the bullet. Without exit
wounds, kinetic energy is transferred to the body, causing more damage. This
ammo is barred from combat and allowed on overseas posts only on a
nation-by-nation basis. Bullets that expand or flatten are banned by the
Hague Convention of 1899, one of the first international statements of the
laws of war.

Although it is controversial to some, hollow-point ammo is in wide use by
law enforcement agencies around the country and on some Army posts. For
instance, Army Criminal Investigation Command has used it since 1998. The
new policy expands the standard to all Army law enforcement personnel.

In addition to CID, military police, special reaction team personnel, and
Department of the Army civilian police and security guards are authorized to
get it. The agencies will have to maintain a reserve of ball ammunition, but
personnel will not be allowed to carry both at once.

[ericire12]

Good move..... not done quickly, however

[fightingquaker13]

Good reaction, but.......Lets be real here. The Hague convention's provision barring "dum dums" is a joke. If you don't want to kill someone, don't shoot him. This is not higher math. Banning HPs is something I think only the Berkley City Council (or the great state of Joisy) would come up with. Giving the troops two sets of rounds, setting rules about not mixing them etc, not too mention what this will do to accuracy for snipers who have to keep two ballistic charts in their heads sounds like a king size PITA. I'm glad they are doing it. I just wish we would repeal that assinine bit of the Hague convention. It will never happen, but it should.
FQ13

[MikeO]

This refers mostly to pistol ammo. Marksmen have had several types of ammo available for their rifles for some time now.

There are now several types of armed civilian and military personnel pulling security and LE duty on bases, w varying degrees of training.

[JC5123]

Good reaction, but.......Lets be real here. The Hague convention's provision barring "dum dums" is a joke. If you don't want to kill someone, don't shoot him. This is not higher math. Banning HPs is something I think only the Berkley City Council (or the great state of Joisy) would come up with. Giving the troops two sets of rounds, setting rules about not mixing them etc, not too mention what this will do to accuracy for snipers who have to keep two ballistic charts in their heads sounds like a king size PITA. I'm glad they are doing it. I just wish we would repeal that assinine bit of the Hague convention. It will never happen, but it should.
FQ13

Actually the standard sniper round is already a hollowpoint. Sierra Match HPBT is the standard, though there are some variations out there.

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[twyacht]

This
ammo is barred from combat

WTF???

Oh, but I can lob a grenade into your hut/whatever??

Glad those morters and howitzer shells aren't hollow points,.....

Geez,...

Although the 50BMG needs NO hollowpoint.
 

[fightingquaker13]

This
ammo is barred from combat

WTF???

Oh, but I can lob a grenade into your hut/whatever??

Glad those morters and howitzer shells aren't hollow points,.....

Geez,...

Although the 50BMG needs NO hollowpoint.
 

This is my point in a nutshell. Cluster bombs, fuel air explosives, laser guided bombs and altitude detonated artillery shells are ok, but I load my pistol with the same Remington Golden Sabres I can buy at Wally World and I'm a war criminal? WTF?
FQ13

[rv4driver]

Well, it just seems a bit overbearing of the U.S., to be telling the terrorists, anarchists, Al Qaeda, Taliban, etc. that they shouldn't use hollow point ammo. 'Cause I KNOW they will obey the Hague Accords, etc. etc. etc.
There's NO WAY our people will be subjected to those nasty hollow-points.

So, once again, we obey the "rules" such as they are, and all our opponents just  blow it off and blow us away.

Cool, as long as I can see the reason behind it. I'm good.

Jeff

[ericire12]

This is my point in a nutshell. Cluster bombs, fuel air explosives, laser guided bombs and altitude detonated artillery shells are ok, but I load my pistol with the same Remington Golden Sabres I can buy at Wally World and I'm a war criminal? WTF?
FQ13

Two words: Flame Thrower 

[Big Frank]

Two words: Flame Thrower 

Here's what they had when I was in the army.