The Immigration Question: Who's Racist? A handy reference.

[crusader rabbit]

Just in case you are Caucasian American and still haven’t figured it out; here is what is really underfoot in our country.  If you don’t believe that the takeover is a planned and directed effort, crawl out from under your rock and pay attention, PLEASE!
 
 We are under siege here in Arizona .  Before you decide we are racists please read what the Hispanic leaders are saying.  We are pro immigration and anti Illegal immigration.
 
   The U.S. VS Mexican Illegals
 
 
"You old white people.  It is your duty to die."

  http://www.ccir.net/

 
HISPANIC LEADERS SPEAK OUT!       
 
Augustin Cebada, Brown Berets; "Go back to Boston !  Go back to Plymouth Rock, Pilgrims!  Get out!  We are the future.  You are old and tired.  Go on.  We have beaten you.  Leave like beaten rats.  You old white people.  It is your duty to die . . Through love of having children, we are going to take over.
 
Richard Alatorre, Los Angeles City Council. "They're afraid we're going to take over the governmental institutions and other institutions.  They're right.  We will take them over . . . We are here to stay."

Excelsior, the national newspaper of Mexico , "The American Southwest seems to be slowly returning to the jurisdiction of Mexico without firing a single shot."

Professor Jose Angel Gutierrez, University of Texas ; "We have an aging white America .  They are not making babies.  They are dying.  The explosion is in our population . . . I love it.  They are shitting in their pants with fear.  I love it."

Art Torres, Chairman of the California Democratic Party, "Remember 187--proposition to deny taxpayer funds for services to non-citizens--was the last gasp of white America in California ."

Gloria Molina, Los Angeles County Supervisor, "We are politicizing every single one of these new citizens that are becoming citizens of this country . . . I gotta tell you that a lot of people are saying, "I'm going to go out there and vote because I want to pay them back."

Mario Obledo, California Coalition of Hispanic Organizations and California State Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare under Governor Jerry Brown, also awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by President Bill Clinton, " California is going to be a Hispanic state.  Anyone who doesn't like it should leave."

Jose Pescador Osuna, Mexican Consul General, "We are practicing 'La Reconquista' in California ."

Professor Fernando Guerra, Loyola Marymount University ; "We need to avoid a white backlash by using codes understood by Latinos . . . "

Are these just the words of a few extremists?  Consider that we could fill up many pages with such quotes.  Also, consider that these are mainstream Mexican leaders.

THE   U.S.   VS  MEXICO :
On February 15, 1998, the U.S. and Mexican soccer teams met at the Los Angeles Coliseum.  The crowd was overwhelmingly pro-Mexican even though most lived in this country.  They booed during the National Anthem and U.S. flags were held upside down.  As the match progressed, supporters of the U.S. team were insulted, pelted with projectiles, punched and spat upon.  Beer and trash were thrown at the U.S. players before and after the match.  The coach of the U.S. team, Steve Sampson said, "This was the most painful experience I have ever had in this profession."

Did you know that immigrants from Mexico and other non-European countries can come to this country and get preferences in jobs, education, and government contracts?  It's called affirmative action or racial privilege.  The Emperor of Japan or the President of Mexico could migrate here and immediately be eligible for special rights unavailable for Americans of European descent.  Recently, a vote was taken in the U.S. Congress to end this practice.  It was defeated.  Every single Democratic senator except Ernest Hollings voted to maintain special privileges for Hispanic, Asian and African immigrants.  They were joined by thirteen Republicans.  Bill Clinton and Al Gore have repeatedly stated that they believe that massive immigration from countries like Mexico is good.  They have also backed special privileges for these immigrants.

Corporate America has signed on to the idea that minorities and third world immigrants should get special, privileged status.  Some examples are Exxon, Texaco, Merrill Lynch, Boeing, Paine Weber, Starbucks and many more.

DID YOU KNOW?:
Did you know that Mexico regularly intercedes on the side of the defense in criminal cases involving Mexican nationals?  Did you know that Mexico hasNEVER extradited a Mexican national accused of murder in the U.S. in spite of agreements to do so?  According to the L.A. Times, Orange County , California is home to 275 gangs with 17,000 members; 98% of which are Mexican and Asian.  How's your county doing?

According to a New York Times article dated May 19, 1994, 20 years after the great influx of legal immigrants from Southeast Asia , 30% are still on welfare compared to 8% of households nationwide.  A Wall Street Journal editorial dated December 5, 1994 quotes law enforcement officials as stating that Asian mobsters are the "greatest criminal challenge the country faces."  Not bad for a group that is still under 5% of the population.

Is education important to you?  Here are the words of a teacher who spent over 20 years in the Los Angeles School system.  "Imagine teachers in classes containing 30-40 students of widely varying attention spans and motivation, many of whom aren't fluent in English.  Educators seek learning materials likely to reach the majority of students and that means fewer words and math problems and more pictures and multicultural references."

WHEN I WAS YOUNG:
When I was young, I remember hearing about the immigrants that came through  Ellis Island .  They wanted to learn English.  They wanted to breath free.  They wanted to become Americans.  Now too many immigrants come here with demands.  They demand to be taught in their own language.  They demand special privileges--affirmative action.  They demand ethnic studies that glorify their culture.

HOW CAN YOU HELP?:
Send copies of this letter to at least two other people, 100 would be even better.  Help us get the word out. 


California Coalition for Immigration Reform
5942 Edinger, Suite 113 - 117
Huntington Beach , CA 92649
Phone 714.921.7142
 
 
 
 

[fightingquaker13]

I'd be a bit leary of these folks Crusader. Tricks are for kids, silly rabbitt . Honestly, this has zero to do with race. It has everything to do with money (eg wages), national soveriegnty, and assimilation. I mean for heavens sake, most Obama voters were younger whites and they put the son of a Kenyan immigrant in office. Right or wrong, thats hardly indicative of a deeply racist country, at least among those whites under 45. Anyone who spews warnings about racism, on either side, either the scumbags mentioned or the folks who authored the piece, should be regarded with at best, a healthy skepticism. Even Lou Dobbs, the Bette Noir of the pro-illegal immigrant folks? His wife is Mexican American, but a LEGAL immigrant. You don't need to play the race card to want to control our borders. Allowing folks to claim its racist without saying BS at the top your lungs is to lose the battle. Folks like this aren't helping.
FQ13

[Solus]

You are correct in your observation, FQ, but  you have the blame placed at the wrong door.

Here is the intro by someone in AZ.

We are under siege here in Arizona .  Before you decide we are racists please read what the Hispanic leaders are saying.  We are pro immigration and anti Illegal immigration.
 

They are not claiming the opposition is racist.  It is them who are being called racist and they are showing, by statements made by opposition leaders, that the opposition is, at best, hypocritical.

I viewed some of the information on the link above and do not recall a reference to the opposition being racist?

 

[tombogan03884]

These people are playing with fire. Remember what happened to the Japanese when we got fed up with them after Pearl Harbor ?
Inflammatory statements like these could very well ignite a backlash that will not be pretty.

[Ichiban]

As usual, the hypocrisy of the left/progressives knows no bounds. 

Obviously the political leanings of the source determine if the exact same works are racist or not.
Imagine if anyone on FOX did this Maher shtick.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/05/29/maher_obama_not_acting_like_a_real_black_president.html

[Sponsor]

[rojawe]

With 10% unemployment, one would think that the government would consider lowering the number of green cards issued to foreign workers until Americans were back on their feet.  Amazingly, recently released data from the Department of Homeland Security shows that we have actually increased immigration.  Far from reflecting supply and demand, our legal immigration numbers continue to climb no matter the state of the national economy.

The latest figures come from fiscal year 2009.  The fiscal year began on October 1, 2008, which is when our economic collapse began and continued through September of 2009.  Over five million Americans lost their jobs over that period.

America issued 1,130,818 permanent green cards, 808,478 of which were given to immigrants of working age.  This is an increase over 2008 and 2007.  Excluding the extra green cards given after the 1986 amnesty, this was the second highest number of green cards issued since 1914.  From 2000 though 2009, we issued 10,299,430—the highest decade in American history.

In addition to the green cards, the government issued 881,840 temporary work visas and gave refugee or asylum status to 96,721 aliens.  The total increase to the American workforce was 1.75 million foreign workers. According to the Census Bureau, 1 out of every 6 workers is foreign born.

What are the possible justifications for this policy?  Are these immigrants taking jobs Americans won’t do?  With the unemployment rate at nearly 10%, no one can say this with a straight face.

Does this create diversity?  The pool of legal immigrants is rather un-diverse. Less than 10% of them come from Europe.

Does this decrease illegal immigration?  If that were the case, you would have expected the illegal immigration numbers to decline as legal immigration increased.  In fact, they have both skyrocketed.

Instead of talking about reducing these numbers, politicians are calling for raising the level of legal immigration.  Senators Chuck Schumer (D-NY), Robert Menendez (D-NJ), and Harry Reid (D-NV) recently released an outline for their ideas for “comprehensive immigration reform.” They call for adding an additional 3.4 million family visas and 550,000 work visas.

In the house, Luis Gutierrez (D-IL) and Solomon Ortiz’s (D-TX) introduced the Comprehensive Immigration Reform for America’s Security and Prosperity Act (H.R. 4321) which makes the same proposals for increasing family and work visas, but one ups them by adding a special new visa category of 100,000 permanent green cards a year to go specifically to Latin American countries.

There are two bills in Congress that will reduce legal immigration.  Rep. Phil Gingrey’s  (R-GA) Nuclear Family Priority Act (H.R.878) will limit family based immigration and reduce 111,800 green cards.  Rep. Bob Goodlatte’s (R-VA) SAFE for America Act (H.R.2305 ) will eliminate the Visa Lottery category that grants 50,000 visas a year.  Unfortunately, the Republican leadership is not backing these bills and they only have 30 and 57 co-sponsors, respectively.

These bills are a great start, but even if they passed we’d still issue nearly one million green cards a year. If we really want to put Americans back to work, we need a moratorium across nearly all categories of legal immigration.  A moratorium will free up jobs for American citizens, reduce the stress on social services, and allow the immigrants already here to assimilate.

The only people who will lose out from a moratorium are the ethnic interests who want new constituents and the business lobbies who want cheap labor.  Unfortunately, both political parties are more concerned with the well-being of these special interests than the well-being American citizens.

Virgil Goode represented Virginia’s 5th Congressional District from 1997 to 2009.

[fightingquaker13]

Now that rowaje, is a post I can get behind. No racial nonsense, just two simple questions. Why, in an overcrowded and underemployed nation are we inviting more immigrants in when we can't take care of our own? Why should we give preference to those in Latin America who are lingusitically and culturally different than us? There is not a trace of racism in either question and I defy those who support tearing down our borders to tell me there is. Frankly, if it were up to me folks from Ireland, the UK, Canada,Oz, New Zealand, Jamaica, Belize and the Bahamas would have first dibs.Why? Language and culture. Please, someone, explain how this is racist. 
FQ13

[Pathfinder]

With 10% unemployment, one would think that the government would consider lowering the number of green cards issued to foreign workers until Americans were back on their feet.  Amazingly, recently released data from the Department of Homeland Security shows that we have actually increased immigration.  Far from reflecting supply and demand, our legal immigration numbers continue to climb no matter the state of the national economy.

The latest figures come from fiscal year 2009.  The fiscal year began on October 1, 2008, which is when our economic collapse began and continued through September of 2009.  Over five million Americans lost their jobs over that period.
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FQ, I think I can address that point.

Many of the legal people coming in are Asian Indians working in the IT sector. Not only are they way more willing to work for less than US-born workers used to huge ($100k+ salaries), but they have all but taken over IT recruiting in this country. For every Anglo recruiter I have dealt with over the past year, I have dealt with 20 Indians doing the recruiting, most of them with abysmal language skills. I usually tell them I have poor cell phone reception (true) and please send me the requirement and I will respond.

So if they work full-time, they work for less, putting pressure on native-born workers. OTOH, if they are in recruiting, they will pay less for consulting. In some cases, I have been told that they will pay $35, $40, $42 or $45 and hour all inclusive. Normally that would be a nice salary - $70-90k per year. However, that phrase "all inclusive" is a code phrase meaning I pay for all of the travel expenses out of that amount. Typically, travel (plane, hotel/apt., rental car, food away from home, etc.) runs $15 to $20 per hour, so then you are left with max $25 an hour or $50k per year. I have done the math - I can't run 2 homesteads plus travel on $50k at the moment.

Many of the Indians will only do what's called corp-to-corp hiring, meaning absolutely no access to any benefits of any kind. You send an invoice, they pay it, and you are solely responsible for reporting taxes, and at the end of the year, they send you a 1099.

These figures are typical for very senior roles too, with demands for lots of experience and very high-level experience. For example, I have run or been at the top of $50-60 million IT projects, and even when they look for this level of person, they are not willing to pay anything more than the $50 +/- per hour. BTW, for some of these positions (remember, no benefits) they are probably making at least a 50% profit when they turn around and sell you to their client.

THAT is one reason why the legal immigrants are still flooding the market when 10% (actually more like 18% in reality) of the American-born workforce is unemployed. The companies get more profits through reduced labor costs, just like with the wetbacks at the laborer level.

[Solus]

I am not any kind of economist, as this question may show.

I know there is a Big Picture, but it seems to me if wages fall, prices would be expected to fall.

One, because since cost goes down, price can go down without impacting profit.  (I know, I know.  That assumes someone isn't greedy and that is a stupid assumption)

But, two, because if wages go down, the amount of cash available to purchase anything goes down so prices will need to fall to compete for the dwindling purchasing power?

So, what don't I know about?

[fightingquaker13]

I am not any kind of economist, as this question may show.

I know there is a Big Picture, but it seems to me if wages fall, prices would be expected to fall.

One, because since cost goes down, price can go down without impacting profit.  (I know, I know.  That assumes someone isn't greedy and that is a stupid assumption)

But, two, because if wages go down, the amount of cash available to purchase anything goes down so prices will need to fall to compete for the dwindling purchasing power?

So, what don't I know about?

Karl Marx can answer that question. He was many things. Stupid wasn't one of them. He just fell into Malthus' trap and didn't  have enough faith in the market. However, one of his signs of doom to capitalism was the "Crisis of Realization". In a nut shell it boiled down to industry being reduced to a virtual oligarghy of a few firms controlling everything. Because of this, wages would fall and in a nut shell the workers at Ford couldn't afford to buy new Fords and thus the whole house of cards would collapse. It does seem a little scarily precient today.
FQ13 who does not want to compete with a Mexican or Chinese standard of living