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Re: Dont blame the rifle, blame the round
« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2010, 04:55:13 PM »
The SCAR Heavy is already in use by certain units.  I have heard from operators that they are very unreliable and require ONE specific type of ammo to function correctly.  Thats no good either. 

The AR's woes would be helped by swapping to a 6.8 piston upper.  It would be worlds different.  However, I think that would be a short term solution and the lack of ammo currently available doesn't help.  They need solutions now and that is something that are government is NOT good at. 

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Re: Dont blame the rifle, blame the round
« Reply #21 on: June 08, 2010, 11:39:12 PM »
If our government cant put there foot up someones ass at BP what do you think there going to do for our troops. They know that the 556 is  an inadequate man stopper, they have the ability to fix the problem but there heads are up there asses. The red tape and in fighting is the problem.
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Re: Dont blame the rifle, blame the round
« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2010, 12:02:12 AM »
If our government cant put there foot up someones ass at BP what do you think there going to do for out troops. They know that the 556 is  an inadequate man stopper, they have the ability to fix the problem but there heads are up there asses. The red tape and in fighting is the problem.
The problem is threefold.
1 Donald Rumsfeld style "cheapness". Millions for sattelite guided gizmos, nothing for grunts.
2 A lack of vision. Why are we cabable of putting a man on the moon, a cruise missile into someone's bedroom window from one thousand miles away, (literally) and get you to and from the battlefield at twice the speed of sound, and we can't come up with a decent $1000 per unit gun? Bullshit!
3 If we wanted to fix it quick (though it woud be non ideal) we could use emminent domain to ramp  up AK carbines and M14s by the end of the month. We don't, probably for good reason. Still, it seems obvious that a new caliber and hopefully a new platform is required. I could live with an AR-10 or a 6.8, but I'd like to think we can do better. Hell, come up with something that wil be around for the next fifty years.
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Re: Dont blame the rifle, blame the round
« Reply #23 on: June 09, 2010, 03:19:32 AM »
FQ, If the young man has already done 3 tours then he is not on his first enlistment, he has probably decided to make a career of it as well, and that is the job.

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Re: Dont blame the rifle, blame the round
« Reply #24 on: June 09, 2010, 04:41:06 AM »
While I agree that firing the 6.5 or 6.8 would be a great improvement for the AR, I don't think it is going to happen any time soon. I think the more realistic option right now it to improve the 5.56. The Marines have already started using hollow point ammo in Afghanistan, and I think everyone else needs to follow suit. FMJ's just don't deliver enough of there energy on the target. If our troops were using something like the 62gr Horndy TAP round I think the knock down power would be greatly improved. I also think using a M16A4 upper on the M-4 Lower would be a good combination for most of our troops. That would provide the more reliable gas system and increase power of the 20" upper, with adjustability of the M-4 Stock. The 14.5" upper is really useful in the urban environment or for mounted troop with the close confinement of a vehicle, but I think it's a waste of power and reliability for the rest of them.

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Re: Dont blame the rifle, blame the round
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Re: Dont blame the rifle, blame the round
« Reply #25 on: June 09, 2010, 05:00:35 AM »
CD, enjoy the leave and your family.  Can't say enough how proud I am to have you on this forum and protecting my behind so this old man can sleep safe.  Stay safe, stay strong.

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Re: Dont blame the rifle, blame the round
« Reply #26 on: June 09, 2010, 08:30:32 AM »
Or how about loading a Partition style bullet or the Barnes unleaded kind?

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Re: Dont blame the rifle, blame the round
« Reply #27 on: June 09, 2010, 07:19:04 PM »

Russia Sticks with 5.45x39mm: Russia is preparing a new standard assault rifle, the AK-200. This weapon is based on the 5.45mm AK-74, which replaced the 7.62mm AK-47/AKM series as the standard infantry weapon towards the end of the Cold War. The AK-74 entered service in the 1970s, and twenty years later a replacement was developed, the AN-94. This rifle used the 5.45mm round first seen in the AK-74, but was able to use larger (45-round and 60-round) magazines. The AN-94 also had burst fire (of two rounds, while Western rifles tend to use three rounds). The AN-94 was supposed to replace all AK-74s in Russian service, but due to the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991, and sharp cuts in the defense budget, this did not happen. There were also concerns about the mechanical complexity and reliability of the AN-94. That's apparently why the AK-200 is not based on the AN-94. One AN-94 feature that was adopted for the AK-200 was a 60 round magazine… Meanwhile, several additional AK-74 variants have been developed and put on the market. The AK-101 fires the 5.56mm NATO round and has a 30-round clip. The AK-103 fires the 7.62x39mm round used in the original AK-47, for those who have concerns about the ability of the 5.45mm round to stop enemy troops. The AK-102, 104, and 105 are compact rifles designed for the export market in 5.56mm NATO, 7.62x39mm, and 5.45x39mm. All have 30-round clips. (The additional variants seem to be intended for export while Russia seems to have committed to large-volume fire with small bullets for her own use. I’m disappointed that a source that presumes expertise in firearms cannot distinguish between a magazine and a clip [http://www.thegunzone.com/clips-mags.html].)

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htweap/articles/20100605.aspx

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Re: Dont blame the rifle, blame the round
« Reply #28 on: June 09, 2010, 07:35:02 PM »
Quote from 2How
"The AK-102, 104, and 105 are compact rifles designed for the export market in 5.56mm NATO, 7.62x39mm, and 5.45x39mm. All have 30-round clips." :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

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