A Troll Finally Retires,,,,In Disgrace.

[twyacht]

Good bye and good riddance Helen Thomas. Your illustrious career, that you should have ended after Nixon, now comes to fruition in your Anti-Semetic remarks.

Your Lebanese upbringing couldn't keep your liberal mouth shut, and I hope generations from now, your stupid remarks over the decades, your partisan diatribes, and reverence by the MSM, overshadows your true nature.

A liberal hack.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/onmedia/0610/Helen_Thomas_retires.html

[crusader rabbit]

TW, let me see if I understand you...  You seem to feel that Helen Thomas is and was a total waste of skin.  Is that about it?  Is that because she is a racist, bigotted, socialist/liberal, anti-American, pro-Palestinian, Jew hating peice of desicated turkey wattle?  Or is it because she is the ugliest, nastiest creature to ooze out of the slime since Golum? 

Whatever may be your reasoning, let us rejoice that this vile creature is no longer able to give voice to her acid tongue.

My fear is she will soon die and be buried and that the cemetary will then become a toxic land fill, unuseable for generations.

Darwin was really slow on cleansing this genetic defect.

[fightingquaker13]

Sigh.....You know, some times I get into fights I really don't want to get into. Its not because I like to fight either. I really don't. Its just because I have one basic principle, tell the truth as you see it and never back down. Here's how that works in re Helen Thomas (then we'll get to Israel, though I really don't want to go there, still, tell the truth ). As far as Thomas, she was an opionated and arrogant woman. She was also getting a bit batty. Still, she was a hell of a journalist back in the day and pioneered a role for women in an "old boys" club. What impressed me most about her was this.  She quit UPI when the Mooney's took it over (the owners of the Washington Times and a number of other right wing rags). She had worked for them since the 1950's but said she wouldn't be the mouth piece for a cult. Points to her. As to Israel. God I don't even know where to start.
Let me just say that the beginning would have nothing to do with religion and would be about a people's right to self determination. The Jews? The Palestenians? Lord, they both have a good claim if we leave religion out of it and look at the matter objectively. The Palestenians have never been a particularly religious people. Most of their violence was committed in the name of nationalism, not Islam.  It is not unreasonable to acknowledge two truths. One the jews are entitled to a homeland after all they have suffered. Still, it is also true that in a just world, that homeland would have been carved out of Bavaria, as the Germans were to blame and should have been the ones to pay the price. What the hell did the Palestenians ever do to the Jewish people before 1948?  I know this post may piss some folks off. That's not the intent. Let's not go there. I am not anti-semetic or anti-Israel. Still, how would you react if you were a Christian (as about 25% are) Palestenian? Lets engage in debate here, not calumny. I acknowlege Israel's right to exist, call it a US ally, and back  it's blockade of Gaza. Screw the Turks. Still.......
FQ13 who thinks the world is very seldom a black and white place. We live or die in shades of gray .
Quote by Robert Earl Keene. If I can't offer any argument that will convince folks, I'll try a country song from the Texas Hill Country.  We do the best we can, and as always, sometimes life just sucks. YMMV.

[tombogan03884]

FQ,  F*ck the Palestinian's, they are dirty people who don't deserve what they do have, which is much closer to us than is shown on TV, Those two legged sheep went into those camps against the wishes and advice of the Israeli Govt (to be ) Because  their leaders told them if they got out of the way of the Arab Armies they would be allowed to have the farms of the Jews. Didn't work out that way and these leaches have been crying poor me with their hand out ever since because they are to lazy to do anything but bitch and beg.
The land held by Jews prior to Independence, was bought and paid for, very few Palestinians actually "owned" the land they farmed, most were peasant's working for an absentee land lord who still owns that land and has built slums for Arab workers.
Lastly, Israel declared a blockade of Gaza, the same way Germany declared the blockade of England during WWI, and England declared the "Exclusionary Zone" around the Falklands. The "Declaration it's self has legal weight under the  excepted "Laws of Land Warfare" (I forget which convention formalized them but it was before WWI )
Entering a declared  blockade zone means your vessel can be seized or sunk be the Blockading party, The German's in the Athenia sinking in WWI made a very good case against the need even for a warning to passengers and crew.
The fact that the ships actually were carrying aid for the other belligerent strengthens Israel's hand even further .
They are in fact, playing exactly by the rules.

[fightingquaker13]

FQ,  F*ck the Palestinian's, they are dirty people who don't deserve what they do have, which is much closer to us than is shown on TV, Those two legged sheep went into those camps against the wishes and advice of the Israeli Govt (to be ) Because  their leaders told them if they got out of the way of the Arab Armies they would be allowed to have the farms of the Jews. Didn't work out that way and these leaches have been crying poor me with their hand out ever since because they are to lazy to do anything but bitch and beg.
The land held by Jews prior to Independence, was bought and paid for, very few Palestinians actually "owned" the land they farmed, most were peasant's working for an absentee land lord who still owns that land and has built slums for Arab workers.
Lastly, Israel declared a blockade of Gaza, the same way Germany declared the blockade of England during WWI, and England declared the "Exclusionary Zone" around the Falklands. The "Declaration it's self has legal weight under the  excepted "Laws of Land Warfare" (I forget which convention formalized them but it was before WWI )
Entering a declared  blockade zone means your vessel can be seized or sunk be the Blockading party, The German's in the Athenia sinking in WWI made a very good case against the need even for a warning to passengers and crew.
The fact that the ships actually were carrying aid for the other belligerent strengthens Israel's hand even further .
They are in fact, playing exactly by the rules.

One question Tom. What if the indians showed up on your door step demanding soveriegnty, saying you were a second class citizen, and imposing a system of foreign laws? We would both say they had a reasonable case to make. We would also die knowing the last sound we ever heard was "click". I've known and taught a lot of Palestenians. They are a lot like the Northern Irish. Not particularly religious, they just don't want foriegners (as they see the Israelies in their back yard). Its been 800 years of death in Ireland. I'm hoping for a better solution in Israel/Palestine.
FQ13

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[tombogan03884]

I would tell the Indians, who I put in the same category on most counts, to piss off and get a job, those drunken drones own most of Northern Maine due to nothing more than whining and liberal white guilt. They got a heck of a lot better deal than the folks they pushed out. If they had been exterminated, like many Americans wanted, they would not be so annoying now.
Kind of like Saddam Hussein, or Mexico.

[fightingquaker13]

I would tell the Indians, who I put in the same category on most counts, to piss off and get a job, those drunken drones own most of Northern Maine due to nothing more than whining and liberal white guilt. They got a heck of a lot better deal than the folks they pushed out. If they had been exterminated, like many Americans wanted, they would not be so annoying now.
Kind of like Saddam Hussein, or Mexico.

So, you're on the same page as Helen Thomas? If Aushwitz had been more effecient our Mid East policy would be less of a hassell?
FQ13 who will love to see you talk your way out of this one 

[tombogan03884]

No, I think that if the city fathers of Mecca had been a little "more efficient", and beheaded that caravan robbing baby raping POS, "our Mid East policy would be less of a hassle"

(Dude, you drive my spell check nuts    )

But now that you mention it, if the earliest Camps had been more effective our political climate might not be so Socialist

[fightingquaker13]

No, I think that if the city fathers of Mecca had been a little "more efficient", and beheaded that caravan robbing baby raping POS, "our Mid East policy would be less of a hassle"

(Dude, you drive my spell check nuts    )

Now THAT is funny. I'll tke the slam beacause I'm ROFL. Lets declare an end to this. The only thing I'll say is remember my point about nationalism and the Irish. Every Palestinian could become a Baptist tomorrow, and they'd still throw rocks at the Israelis.
FQ13

[tombogan03884]

I'm trying to get to bed before sun up, but let me point out to you that you are saying, no matter how you dress one of them up, they will still throw rocks at people who have already shown they can and will use the guns they all have.
Kind of makes my point.