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Re: A Young Sailors Prayer Needed
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2010, 12:20:20 PM »
RC55, How many teens die in car wrecks every year ?
How many die sailing around the world ?
Obviously sailing is FAR safer.
(and yes I do know I'm being an A hole, thank you  ;D  )

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Re: A Young Sailors Prayer Needed
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2010, 01:07:29 PM »
RC55, How many teens die in car wrecks every year ?
How many die sailing around the world ?
Obviously sailing is FAR safer.
(and yes I do know I'm being an A hole, thank you  ;D  )

Further, less than 1/10 of 1% of all traffic fatalities occur at speeds in excess of 90mph.  So, by how much will your risk of being killed in a traffic accident be reduced by always traveling in excess of 90mph.

(and yes, I do know Tom B is being an A Hole too, thank you   ;D ;D ;D)
Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"
—Patrick Henry

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."
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Re: A Young Sailors Prayer Needed
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2010, 01:27:59 PM »
RC55, How many teens die in car wrecks every year ?
How many die sailing around the world ?
Obviously sailing is FAR safer.
(and yes I do know I'm being an A hole, thank you  ;D  )

Tom & Solus

You must have failed statistics.  ;D
I doubt there are a significant population of teenage solo global sailors (35 or more). 
The correct question would be what percentage of people who wreck at 90mph survive compared to 55mph or 25 mph.

How many solo sailors die in the attempt? The last percentage I heard was 10%. How many need rescued? Don't know.
Chichester had a 50/50 record and he was one of the greatest.

Go get a copy of 66 Days Adrift by William Butler. Excellant book by a blue water sailor with 77,000 miles of global sailing.
He was not alone, had some time to abandon ship but his EPIR failed.

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Re: A Young Sailors Prayer Needed
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2010, 02:05:38 PM »
Tom & Solus

You must have failed statistics.  ;D
I doubt there are a significant population of teenage solo global sailors (35 or more).  
The correct question would be what percentage of people who wreck at 90mph survive compared to 55mph or 25 mph.

How many solo sailors die in the attempt? The last percentage I heard was 10%. How many need rescued? Don't know.
Chichester had a 50/50 record and he was one of the greatest.

Go get a copy of 66 Days Adrift by William Butler. Excellant book by a blue water sailor with 77,000 miles of global sailing.
He was not alone, had some time to abandon ship but his EPIR failed.

I enjoy statistics....and percentages....without understanding what is involved in them you cannot know where the smoke ends and the BS starts  : ;D ;D

Well, looks like Bill Butler, who had more NM under his keel, was not alone and was probably older than Abby, left the nest too soon.  How much older should he have been before he took the chance sail?

About the 55 and 25mph....would be even safer if you walked...but you are never gonna make it to the coast if you don't take that risk.


P.S.   If 1 out of four children born is Chinese, what is the probability that in a family of four children, exactly one of them is Chinese?
 
Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"
—Patrick Henry

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."
— Daniel Webster

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Re: A Young Sailors Prayer Needed
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2010, 02:16:16 PM »
Statistics:  The science the believes the average human has one testicle

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Re: A Young Sailors Prayer Needed
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2010, 02:17:49 PM »
Statistics:  The science the believes the average human has one testicle


A man is standing with one foot on a searing griddle and the other on a block of dry ice.  On the average, he's comfortable.
Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"
—Patrick Henry

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."
— Daniel Webster

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Re: A Young Sailors Prayer Needed
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2010, 02:34:37 PM »
So tacking back on track.

Tom & Solus would you let your 16 daughter drive across country by herself?

Here is the latest picture of her boat on her website.

http://www.soloround.blogspot.com/

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Re: A Young Sailors Prayer Needed
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2010, 04:08:52 PM »
When I was 16 a friend and I decided to hop a freight train from Cincinnati to Indianapolis.  I asked my parents permission, he told them he was sleeping over at my place.

My mom and dad let me go and told me to call them when I got there to let them know my plans and to call  we ran into trouble and needed help.

Let me tell you, a hobo's life is not all it is cracked up to be.   We hitch hiked back home along route 50. 

Driving across country at 16 is not the same as sailing around the world at 16.

Remember, a 16 year old driver would have less than a year behind the wheel.   Abby has been sailing for many more years and has more experience at it.

If my 16 year old daughter  had that much sailing experience, I'd let her make the sailing trip before the driving trip. 

I'd bet Abby has more miles sailed and hours at the help than a 16 year old driver has behind the wheel.

Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"
—Patrick Henry

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."
— Daniel Webster

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Re: A Young Sailors Prayer Needed
« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2010, 04:18:20 PM »
I'm walking the fence on this one.  Some kids are far more mature and capable at 16 than some "grown ups" in their twenties and thirties.

As far as driving, I know plenty of mature adults who should never, ever drive a motor vehicle.

In MA, a few hundred bucks, 12 hours of driving with your parents over six months and a five minute driving test administered by some snot nosed State Trooper and you're good to go forth and kill as many people as you can with an automobile!

It's a joke!

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Re: A Young Sailors Prayer Needed
« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2010, 04:26:58 PM »
I'm walking the fence on this one.  Some kids are far more mature and capable at 16 than some "grown ups" in their twenties and thirties.

As far as driving, I know plenty of mature adults who should never, ever drive a motor vehicle.

In MA, a few hundred bucks, 12 hours of driving with your parents over six months and a five minute driving test administered by some snot nosed State Trooper and you're good to go forth and kill as many people as you can with an automobile!

It's a joke!

I know I am continuing with the terrible thread drift here...but we've chewed this one up so much, a little more won't hurt to bad.

This is about Driver's Licenses.  I've stated before that I don't believe it is a privileged as the government has no privileges to hand out to the citizens.

I don't think the Founding Fathers would be very approving if they were required to get permission from the state to operate a horse, buggy or buckboard, the primary means of private transportation of their day.

Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"
—Patrick Henry

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."
— Daniel Webster

 

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