A Young Sailors Prayer Needed

[TAB]

I get it... And I have no doubt that she probably had the skill set to make it happen, but think about how different the story would have been if she had died. It could have just as easily turned out that way - Being adrift in the middle of the ocean was pretty much a coin flip. How much more flack would her parents have taken? Would there have been charges? Would any of your opinions have changed?

All I am saying is that the parents made the decision to let their daughter go... It was 100% their call... And from the things I have seen, I believe they did it for fame and money. I most certainly may be wrong. But I think those parents put unimportant things infront of their child's (children's) safety.

I doubt she had the skill set.  After seeing how her boat was rigged, tacting and jibbing were basicly one hand operations.  any one on this site could be tought how to do it in litterly mins.  a few weeks on the water and you would be read to make the CA to HI trip.  as long as nothing broke you would be fine.  Thats where exp would come into play.

[shooter32]

 I probably would have presuaded my daughter to wait.  Records are sometimes not worth the risk.

+1

[ratcatcher55]

Wow!

Tab, Eric and I on the same side of an issue.

Truly the last sign of the Apocalypse

[twyacht]

Her mast snapped. The Whitbread Round The World Race, which are larger boats with full crews of pro sailors, did the same thing when their mast snapped, in 1990.

Exp. sailors, when a mast snaps, is hit the Epirb, call out a distress, clear the rigging, and pray a rescue comes quickly.

Seems her "exp" worked just as the pros did. Plus she was already more than halfway.

Wow!

Tab, Eric and I on the same side of an issue.

Truly the last sign of the Apocalypse

 

[ericire12]

Wow!

Tab, Eric and I on the same side of an issue.

Truly the last sign of the Apocalypse

Well, Quaker is not in the group... so its all good

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[TAB]

Her mast snapped. The Whitbread Round The World Race, which are larger boats with full crews of pro sailors, did the same thing when their mast snapped, in 1990.

Exp. sailors, when a mast snaps, is hit the Epirb, call out a distress, clear the rigging, and pray a rescue comes quickly.

Seems her "exp" worked just as the pros did. Plus she was already more than halfway.

two be fair, race boats are nothing like the boat she was on.  Also in a RACE, you may take risks that you normally would not. 

[Solus]

Question....

How many of us would have let that nine year old boy shoot a full auto Uzi?

As parents, we all make decisions.  Sometimes there not the correct ones to make.  In California, at 16, this young woman is not legally allowed to make these decisions on her own.  Her parents must do it for her and the fact that the dad was "jonesing" for a TV deal does shed a different light on the subject.

I've been on Lake Michigan sailing in a mild storm and it scared the daylights out of me!  I probably would have persuaded my daughter to wait.  Records are sometimes not worth the risk.

From what I remember thinking at the time, it appeared that might have been the first time that nine year old had fired a FA firearm.

If he had been practicing with it for a bit, say starting with a single round in the magazine (whew) to learn how to  hold and operate the weapon and to see if he had the physical strength to deal with it.  Then working with 2 or 3 rounds in the mag and on up for as long as he demonstrated the strength and ability to handle the UZI.  

So, Yes, after he had practiced and demonstrated he could handle the UZI, I'd let him do it.....

[Solus]

Question....

How many of us would have let that nine year old boy shoot a full auto Uzi?

As parents, we all make decisions.  Sometimes there not the correct ones to make.  In California, at 16, this young woman is not legally allowed to make these decisions on her own.  Her parents must do it for her and the fact that the dad was "jonesing" for a TV deal does shed a different light on the subject.

I've been on Lake Michigan sailing in a mild storm and it scared the daylights out of me!  I probably would have persuaded my daughter to wait.  Records are sometimes not worth the risk.

The age of Emancipation in CA is 14.  Had the family gone through the legal procedure  and she was emancipated, she could have made the decision herself.  CA seems to feel age 14 is old enough to be making your own decisions.

California law states in order to get a declaration of emancipation from a judge, the minor have to prove ALL of the following criteria. The minor must be at least 14 years old, the minor must not want live with their parents and the parents do not mind if the minor moves out, the minor can handle their own money, the minor is employed and has a legal way to make money.

http://www.saclaw.lib.ca.us/pages/emancipation.aspx

[Solus]

Question....

How many of us would have let that nine year old boy shoot a full auto Uzi?

As parents, we all make decisions.  Sometimes there not the correct ones to make.  In California, at 16, this young woman is not legally allowed to make these decisions on her own.  Her parents must do it for her and the fact that the dad was "jonesing" for a TV deal does shed a different light on the subject.

I've been on Lake Michigan sailing in a mild storm and it scared the daylights out of me!  I probably would have persuaded my daughter to wait.  Records are sometimes not worth the risk.

This is true.  That determination has to be made, but all records are held by those who decided it was worth the risk.  Do not limit the aspirations of others based on your abilities or your limitations or your concern about the risks.

[Solus]

I doubt she had the skill set.  After seeing how her boat was rigged, tacting and jibbing were basicly one hand operations.  any one on this site could be tought how to do it in litterly mins.  a few weeks on the water and you would be read to make the CA to HI trip.  as long as nothing broke you would be fine.  Thats where exp would come into play.

TAB, you seem to be saying that because her boat was rigged for one handed operation, it somehow means she had a skill set that could be taught in a few weeks on the water?

Are you implying that if her rigging was set up for more complicated operation, it would have increased her skill set?

You also seem to be saying that after two weeks of training a brand new sailor could make the trip from CA to HI?...as long as nothing broke.  Are there never any storms between CA and HI, or are you saying two weeks total helm time will prepare someone for the largest storm that will be encountered on that trip?