Kel-Tec RFB

[fightingquaker13]

$1800? Hell, you can shop like BillT for that kind of coin. That's two nice ARs, three AKs or enough to buy an M1-A1 and a nice used pistol. All that for a kel-tec? Sorry, but no. Make that hell no.
FQ13

[ericire12]

http://www.gunblast.com/KelTec-RFB.htm

[bafsu92]

$1800? Hell, you can shop like BillT for that kind of coin. That's two nice ARs, three AKs or enough to buy an M1-A1 and a nice used pistol. All that for a kel-tec? Sorry, but no. Make that hell no.
FQ13

Tell me about it. I've seen some on gunbroker go for around $1600 but I've pretty much decided if I was going to spend that to be a beta tester i'd rather just get a Springfield Scout and know it will work.

[twyacht]

Evil and FUGLY....

$1800    Bushmaster, LWRC, LMT, Barrett, Arma-Lite, Daniel Defense, Rock River, DPMS, Sig, SCI, Geez,.....for that kinda "bling"?

wow

[bafsu92]

I know, Kel Tecs usually can be had for a decent deal but they're really trying to stick to the $1880 msrp here. there's really not anything to compare it to since nobody has a 7.62 nato rifle this compact but like fightingquaker13 said you could get 3 AK's and a decent auto pistol. You may be giving up something in ballistics but you can arm the entire family.

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[Pathfinder]

I know, Kel Tecs usually can be had for a decent deal but they're really trying to stick to the $1880 msrp here. there's really not anything to compare it to since nobody has a 7.62 nato rifle this compact but like fightingquaker13 said you could get 3 AK's and a decent auto pistol. You may be giving up something in ballistics but you can arm the entire family.

What part of "the family is already armed" is no one getting? ? ?

Price-wise the MSRP is well below the Magpul Masada Bushmaster Remington ACR and SCAR and other similar modern 5.56 rifles, and it is 7.62x51. Great car rifle, no folding stock to fiddle with when the rifle is needed.

Y'all are hung up on the price, and not thinking about the innovation and utility. And yes, I am watching prices on GB and GA to get lower than MSRP if I can.

Anyone fire one? ? ? ? ?

[bafsu92]

What part of "the family is already armed" is no one getting? ? ?

Price-wise the MSRP is well below the Magpul Masada Bushmaster Remington ACR and SCAR and other similar modern 5.56 rifles, and it is 7.62x51. Great car rifle, no folding stock to fiddle with when the rifle is needed.

Y'all are hung up on the price, and not thinking about the innovation and utility. And yes, I am watching prices on GB and GA to get lower than MSRP if I can.

Anyone fire one? ? ? ? ?

My whole family is armed as well. I see where you're coming from since I was seriously considering one myself. I love the size to power factor but just like when I hold a Kel-Tec pistol it's immediately apparent it isn't a 1911 (or even even a Glock for that matter) when I held the RFB it was immediately apparent it wasn't a M1A (or even a decent AR). I think once they get some decent numbers on the market and people get to shoot them one of two things will happen. Either they will prove to be revolutionary and hold their value or more likely they will prove to be like other Kel-Tecs, reasonably well built and reliable but nothing flashy or overly desirable from a collectors standpoint and the price point drops down around the $1100-$1200 mark where it probably should've been from the start. I give them credit for coming up with a new design and bringing it to a fairly saturated market. The tactical rifle market has really tapered off so even with the innovations they may encounter slow sales. When I looked at one and offered $1500 I was caught up in the moment of wanting a "shiny new toy" that no one else had. Now that I had time to think about it I'm glad my offer was laughed off and dismissed with an $1800 firm response.

I'm not saying I wouldn't like to own one, I still would. It's just that in the same way the PLR-16 isn't a Sig 556 pistol the RFB isn't... well there isn't a comparable rifle on the market but what it is, is a Kel-Tec and I think the price is where it is over manufactured demand. I remember LCP's selling for $500 at gun shows and now you can pick them up for half that. the more I think about I feel like the beta testers of this rifle will pay a huge premium.

[Walter45Auto]

I'm wondering how available and cheap mags are for it.

[Pathfinder]

I'm wondering how available and cheap mags are for it.

Mags are metric FAL, so they run $10-20 for 20-rounders. The 20-round standard is so far the only drawback to the RFB, but it's one I can live with. I did see a photo of an RFB with what was labeled a "Bren 30-round magazine" but so far I can't find any info on it.

[Solus]

Pretty much agree with Path's thoughts on this.   

I need a new .308 semi and have always thought the bullpup was ideal except for the drawbacks I've mentioned elsewhere, poor trigger pull being the only critical one, and the RFB seems to have addressed it.

I don't imagine Kel-Tec will budge at all on price.  They have seen sales of one of their 'hot products' drained by another manufacture who offers a very close copy.  I would guess they will want to recoup as much of the development costs as possible before a competitive "copy" hits the market.

If that happens, two things will result.  One, lower priice, and two, the design will have proven itself reliable and desirable enough to be copied.