The Mt. Vernon Statement

[twyacht]

A 5 minute reminder, of a 1960 reminder, against the usurping vermin that currently infest DC.

Conservatives have published their "Mount Vernon Statement"  -- which is modeled after the Sharon Statement of 1960 -- states that America's "founding ideas" are "under sustained attack" and have "been undermined and redefined in our culture, our universities and our politics."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OD9QL_O0cD4&feature=player_embedded#!

OBTW, guess which holiday is coming....

[fightingquaker13]

Okay. I am going to catch a ration of shat for this, but I can't stand it! Three things.
1) Remember the the context. In 1960, you will pardon me for being skeptical of those advocating for limited federal power and "sticking with tradition". Particularly when they are making happy talk about individual liberties that the states had failed to enforce since 1877. I'm a Southern boy, and my BS meter is pretty finely tuned.
2) The conservatism of the Declaration? Are they stoned? That was probably the most liberal document ever written (and no Virginia, liberalism does not equal socialism. Classical Liberalism, google it). The "conservatives" were the guys in the red coats. Lets please be at least a little bit honest here. To quote Doc Holiday, "My hypocrisy only goes so far".
3) Lets look at the spokesmen. Ed Meese and Tony Perkins. These two wouldn't know an individual right if it bit them on the ass. Meese is a facist and Perkins is a theocrat. They have zero interest in small government and have proved it over the years. To Meese, the police can never have too much power and the accused cannot have too few rights. Perkins, well pharisee doesn't even come close. Although, he does believe in freedom of conscience, as long as you go to his church.
Sorry TW, I will celebrate the (classical) LIBERALISM of the Declaration and the Constitution and tell the Heritage Foundation and the Concerned Women for America and the Family Research Council to hang it in their ass. They don't belive in a single principle of those documents. They just want to use them as a weapon. Thanks but no thanks, I'll stick with Jefferson, Washinton and Madison. The theocrats and right wing statists can bite me.
FQ13

[twyacht]

Here's your ration of "shat":

What part of Liberalism HAS EVER wanted "Limited Gov't"?

I should not have to quote the Founders to you and express their heartfelt belief in States Rights, and the ROLE of the Federal Gov't.

Outside of protecting our borders, regulating commerce, and being able to establish an income tax, which party usurped and told you how many gallons of water your commode can flush?

That would be California LIBERALS.

Yes, Meese is a Ca. Native, but somehow the land of fruit and nuts elected Reagan, and Meese attempted on multiple occasions to work with Liberals for the greater good. Even reminding the SCOTUS of the importance of Miranda Rights.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_Meese

"Meese is a Fascist" Indeed.....Compared to Darth Rahm, and BHO, are you kidding me? Won't even touch the Van Jones and Cass Sustein element...in the current admin...

Please, have a stronger position than that.

Tony Perkins is a La, boy, who likes America on the principles in which it was founded, a Constitutional Conservative Christian....

Oh, the horror.....

your quote:
"They don't belive in a single principle of those documents. They just want to use them as a weapon. Thanks but no thanks, I'll stick with Jefferson, Washinton and Madison. The theocrats and right wing statists can bite me."

Really???

Perhaps the left wing statists are more your cup of San Francisco Tea.

[fightingquaker13]

TW
My point is that the founders were liberals, not conservatives. The conservatives were the loyalists. Please google classical liberalism. It will save us a whole lot of arguing. As far as Meese, he was one of the chief architects of Bush the elder's drug war, including those nasty little RICO provisions that took your money in order to prevent you from hiring your own lawyer, but forced to rely on a PD before you were even indicted, much less convicted. Enough said, at least for me, about his sorry self. Perkins? He thinks this is a Christian nation. Sorry, wrong answer. We are a pluralistic republic. Jefferson and Franklin wouldn't pass the Christian right smell test according to theocrats like Perkins. Hell, I'm in church two or three days a week and Perkins wouldn't think I'd qualify because we are not on the same page theologically. This is America not Saudi Arabia. The Christian Right (which is neither IMHO) needs to get that memo.
FQ13

[twyacht]

FQ,

My point is that the founders were liberals, not conservatives

To a degree, I agree, but what did Benjamin Franklin tell that inquisitive woman outside of Philadelphia, "A Republic, if you can keep it".

More current, who was the party responsible for blocking the Civil Rights Movement? in the 60's related to the OP?

Uh, that was Southern Democrats. Including Al Gore Sr. and we have no need to discuss Robert KKK Byrd. from West "By God" Virginia.

The morph of a decent Liberal and the tragic modern Progressive that was conceived by Woodrow Wilson, and is making a resurgence is what we have now.
Ask Hillary Clinton, Eric Holder, Saul Alinsky, and others currently in our top shelves of D.C.

Money has never stopped anyone from getting a lawyer, if that were true, O.J. and John Gotti, and Bernie Madoff, would have been hung in public.

Saudi Arabia is a weak comparison as they still oppress to the "Nth" degree, as the British did, and restrict freedom. My way or the highway, was never the Founders intention....

It seems the current admin has other plans.

Just ask Nancy Pelosi,,,,"We have to pass this bill, to know what's in it"....Think Jefferson or Franklin would go along with that?

Research more Washington, and realize he quoted God, prayer, and advice through prayer, than any other. I agree Jefferson was a realistic politician, not so religious, but he also smelled a potential rat in our Republic, and guess what?

We have too many rats now.

OBTW, Palm Beach gun show Jul. 3-4. 

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