SOCOM Cancels SCAR Project

[GUNS-R-US]

i agree the round just dont cut it no more unless your shooting chucks and yotes. Now the 6.5 or 6.8 would be perfect. Some swat teams have switched to it. Flat shooting fast round and great all around caliber. My boy has a 6.5 bolt gun on vermiter.com and he loves it for deer and bear.

Ya know, I think the 6.5 or 6.8 are good rounds, but I think it would take a forced move by someone in a power position to ever get the military to switch from the 5.56 to one of the other cartridges. It's kinda like when the military or more specifically the Army and Marine Corps, it took the Sec Def to basically force them to buy it. Their just to heavily invested in the 5.56. As I recall the Army at least didn't want to switch from the M-14. I think the Navy didn't switch the majority of their forces back then or even now many ship board security teams use the M-14. Personally, I like the 5.56. Kinda like the 9mm, it depends on the type of bullet used whether it's going to be good for defensive or offensive operations. My primary SHTF weapon is a 5.56, not the 7.62 or 6.8 Just my opinion. Not that I don't want a 6.8 SPC or 6.5 Grendel as my service weapon if we did switch.

[Solus]

Ya know, I think the 6.5 or 6.8 are good rounds, but I think it would take a forced move by someone in a power position to ever get the military to switch from the 5.56 to one of the other cartridges. It's kinda like when the military or more specifically the Army and Marine Corps, it took the Sec Def to basically force them to buy it. Their just to heavily invested in the 5.56. As I recall the Army at least didn't want to switch from the M-14. I think the Navy didn't switch the majority of their forces back then or even now many ship board security teams use the M-14. Personally, I like the 5.56. Kinda like the 9mm, it depends on the type of bullet used whether it's going to be good for defensive or offensive operations. My primary SHTF weapon is a 5.56, not the 7.62 or 6.8 Just my opinion. Not that I don't want a 6.8 SPC or 6.5 Grendel as my service weapon if we did switch.

Military has been restricted to 'ball' rounds by the Geneva Convention?

[GUNS-R-US]

Military has been restricted to 'ball' rounds by the Geneva Convention?

That's only true when fighting another uniformed enemy. We're not required by law of the Hague convention of 1899 (not the Geneva Convention) to use FMJ's when fighting irregular forces or insurgencies. The Marines started using the MK318 Mod 0 - SOST's earlier this year, to good effect I under stand. Eventually these rounds should make it to the surplus markets, when they do I think I'll rotate my ammo stock though.

Here's a link to the story http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/02/17/usmc-adopt-new-5-56mm-mk318-mod-0-ammunition/

[Solus]

That's only true when fighting another uniformed enemy. We're not required by law of the Hague convention of 1899 (not the Geneva Convention) to use FMJ's when fighting irregular forces or insurgencies. The Marines started using the MK318 Mod 0 - SOST's earlier this year, to good effect I under stand. Eventually these rounds should make it to the surplus markets, when they do I think I'll rotate my ammo stock though.

Here's a link to the story http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/02/17/usmc-adopt-new-5-56mm-mk318-mod-0-ammunition/

Thanks for the info ..and lesson. 

take care

[JC5123]

Military has been restricted to 'ball' rounds by the Geneva Convention?

I was thinking the same thing. I've always wondered because when used with a better expanding bullet, the 5.56 CAN BE a very potent round. The problem I see (especially at close range) is the 5.56 FMJ tends to go straight through and not cause a lot of damage.

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[breezzer99]

I love my 5.56 also.

[Solus]

That's only true when fighting another uniformed enemy. We're not required by law of the Hague convention of 1899 (not the Geneva Convention) to use FMJ's when fighting irregular forces or insurgencies. The Marines started using the MK318 Mod 0 - SOST's earlier this year, to good effect I under stand. Eventually these rounds should make it to the surplus markets, when they do I think I'll rotate my ammo stock though.

Here's a link to the story http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/02/17/usmc-adopt-new-5-56mm-mk318-mod-0-ammunition/

Does make for unusual ROE, however. 

If they all have the same color clothes on, load ball, otherwise use the good stuff.

[seeker_two]

Here's a link to the story http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/02/17/usmc-adopt-new-5-56mm-mk318-mod-0-ammunition/

Interesting....looks like it would tumble more effectively in a body than the current FMJ rounds....kinda like the 5.45x39 "poison bullet" rounds the Russians used in Afghanistan.

Personally, I'm glad that the MIL is investing in the SCAR-Heavy. The M-4's make great submachine guns...but lousy battle rifles. Time to look for something with more punch....