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Hotel intrusion
« on: June 29, 2010, 06:42:52 PM »
My daughter travels for a large corporation, she is 6 months pregnant. Last week she was hosting a conference downstate and was staying at a very reputable hotel. At 4:00am she was awakened by a man entering her hotel room. He had a key. She screamed at him to get out of her room. She had to scream at him several times and he left. She was in a suite that had another door and she ran to that door and threw the dead bolt as the man tried to use his key on that door. She called the front desk and the desk clerk called the police. The man was apprehended and it turns out he had walked away from a local mental hospital.

The next morning she had a meeting with the General Manager, the Manager, and the Banquet Manager of the hotel. My daughter is not afraid to speak her mind, and she did. Apparently this man walked into the hotel and told the desk clerk he was staying in my daughters room and had lost his key. Without checking his identification the desk clerk gave him a key, even though the man was acting strangely (the desk clerks words). The desk clerk was fired.

Needless to say the hotel is terrified. I'm sure that they are waiting for a letter from my daughters lawyer. Her feelings, however, are that she wasn't hurt and, if anything, it has raised her awareness of her own vulnerability and security. We are not the suing kind of people. Things she has learned include making sure the deadbolt and the security chain are on the room door are secured. I had given her a can of Mace, but it was in her purse and not available. We are in a CC state and we discussed handguns but she is not comfortable with that idea. Perhaps a tazer would be a better idea. She will however have her mace on the nightstand next to her bed when she travels.

I post this story just to reinforce the idea that even when you think you are secure, think again, you may not be. This incident could have had a very different and tragic ending. I enjoy Best Defense and watch it weekly. I never thought its subject matter would hit so close to home.

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Re: Hotel intrusion
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2010, 08:07:53 PM »
Glad your daughter is safe. You might not be the suing kind, but in this case maybe she should. If this place is corporate (Hampton etc) they will A settle quickly and generously. Pregnant woman menaced by a mental patient who got key with no ID and twice tried to enter her room? Hell, somebody's got to pay for the kids college, and it sounds like they deserve to be the one as he might never have seen daylight  had your daughter been slower. B. Secondly though, nothing says change a policy or improve training to corporate America like writing a large check. It could keep something similar from happening to someone else. I mean honestly, this isn't ambulance chasing. Its negligence bordering on malfesance that put her life on the line. They promised a safe room. They then gave the key to a crazy guy that had no ID. That should cost them.
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Re: Hotel intrusion
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2010, 08:14:57 PM »
DGF, extremely glad it came out ok, lesson learned, use supplemental locks when available, hotel personal are not always reliable, I had reservations in a distant hotel, no problem got checked in and went to said room, opened the door with the electronic key, and good for me, I saw a disheveled bed, clothes and luggage, and thankfully not an armed occupant. moved to another room, but could have been nasty. When the occupant, use the secondary locking systems, and me, I might add to it and add a chair under the lock, or bring a door stop with me, not fool proof but just adds time to respond, but to respond, definitely not just your cellphone, pepper spray, wasp spray, Taser, handgun, shotgun ( if legal ) some device that makes a really loud and obnoxious noise that will make the folks around you call the desk and tell room 1234 to stfu.

What you do about the lax hotel personnel, is up to you, your daughter does have a good case.

Good subject.
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Re: Hotel intrusion
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2010, 08:38:38 PM »
Very glad the outcome was favorable, they also make accessory hotel items at various travel stores, and online, that are very useful.

One is a magnetic door accessory, that will literally scream 110 decibels if the magnetic seal is broken between the door and jam, if the door is opened after being set.

Than the taser, pepper spray option, always work. Firearms in a hotel can be a slippery slope, but again, glad your daughter came out OK.

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Re: Hotel intrusion
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2010, 08:54:57 PM »
First of all, glad your daughter is OK.
Second, along with the other things previously opined, talk with her (which I know you have and will again) and drive home the point of making sure the safety latch is flipped on the hotel door(s). It would appear that since the man gained access to the room, she may have inadvertently forgot to latch it. If there were no latches, then I would definitely consult an attorney.
Along with the portable alarm mentioned by TW, this may have prevented his entry to begin with. Also, to supplement the latch, I think an episode of TBD showed door wedges that can be used to wedge under the bottom of the door after closing it that helps stop folks from gaining unwanted entry.
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Re: Hotel intrusion
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2010, 08:58:44 PM »
Thank you for your responses. We have thought about supplementary locking devices, wedges and various other devices that are on the market, but what do you do if you have a medical emergency and can't get to the door to remove them? The alarm device sounds interesting. Virginia, where we live is a CC state and my son-in-law seldom leaves the house unarmed and although my daughter has a CCP she does not carry. She worries that had she had a gun she might have shot the man in the hotel and then what? It is a fine line to walk when you have a gun.

I realize that there is a strong basis for legal action but she feels she was not hurt and alls well that ends well. The Hotel, we think, has learned a valuable lesson and they have taken this incident very seriously. Had she suffered any damage we would own that Hotel. If any good has come from all this it is that she has had a wake up call regarding her personal security. She will be much more aware in the future. And we all know that awareness is the first line of defense.

Again, thank you for your advice and response.

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Re: Hotel intrusion
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2010, 08:20:58 AM »
Thank you for your responses. We have thought about supplementary locking devices, wedges and various other devices that are on the market, but what do you do if you have a medical emergency and can't get to the door to remove them? The alarm device sounds interesting. Virginia, where we live is a CC state and my son-in-law seldom leaves the house unarmed and although my daughter has a CCP she does not carry. She worries that had she had a gun she might have shot the man in the hotel and then what? It is a fine line to walk when you have a gun.

I realize that there is a strong basis for legal action but she feels she was not hurt and alls well that ends well. The Hotel, we think, has learned a valuable lesson and they have taken this incident very seriously. Had she suffered any damage we would own that Hotel. If any good has come from all this it is that she has had a wake up call regarding her personal security. She will be much more aware in the future. And we all know that awareness is the first line of defense.

Again, thank you for your advice and response.



Had she had a gun, it would have worked the same way.  She would have screamed as she did until the man left, but she would have done so with less fear and panic as she would have had her gun in her hand.

Had he not left and kept approaching she would be the one to decide if she stopped him or submitted. 

The fine line is whether she decides her fate or the intruder does.

With training, she would be prepared to make that decision wisely.

But, as we have all learned, avoidance is the better and safer course. 
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Re: Hotel intrusion
« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2010, 08:47:38 AM »
Solus, I agree with you. The first requirement for CC however, is that you must be  comfortable with a gun in your pocket. If you are not, then the gun becomes a liability. My daughter is planning to spend more time on the range and obtain the confidence that is necessary to handle firearms, but I doubt that she will ever want to carry on regular basis. That said, I think it would be foolish to break into her house while she is home. I grew up handling firearms of all types, I am a NRA member, as is my son-in-law, so we can give her the support she needs.     

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Re: Hotel intrusion
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2010, 08:59:34 AM »
Good work, DGF.

Take care.
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Re: Hotel intrusion
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2010, 09:00:43 AM »
firstly glad she is ok 


Solus, I agree with you. The first requirement for CC however, is that you must be  comfortable with a gun in your pocket. If you are not, then the gun becomes a liability. My daughter is planning to spend more time on the range and obtain the confidence that is necessary to handle firearms, but I doubt that she will ever want to carry on regular basis. That said, I think it would be foolish to break into her house while she is home. I grew up handling firearms of all types, I am a NRA member, as is my son-in-law, so we can give her the support she needs.     


however a crap load of training that she should take would help with that  + make her more aware of her situation and that is better IMO  than just having the CCW permit

you also may want to get her to watch TBD   season's

I got my mrs to watch it  and it has helped her   and she understands why I have knives about the house (out of the reach of the little one )  

and have one on me ALL the time as I can not have a firearm  as they are only for sporting or hunting  ( and apparently criminals are not an animal that we have an open season for :( )

I would love to get over to the states and do a couple of the training courses that you can do  more on situational awareness
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