Opinions on capacity vs caliber in a ccw

[GUNS-R-US]

In all seriousness, and pertaining to the thread, the reason I went with the G27 at the time was the balance/trade-off between caliber and capacity. With a Pearce grip extension, I could have 10+1 of a .40 caliber round in a light-weight, concealable gun. I carry the standard length mag in the gun so it doesn't print, giving me 10 in the heater. I then have two mags with the +1 extensions giving me 20 more in the ready room.

Peg have you considered trading those extra mags for some full-size 15 round mags?
I carry a standard 12 round mag in my M&P9c and full-size 17 round mags for a reloading!

[PegLeg45]

Peg have you considered trading those extra mags for some full-size 15 round mags?
I carry a standard 12 round mag in my M&P9c and full-size 17 round mags for a reloading!

I have 3 of the G22 Mags that I also use with my Kel-Tec Sub rifle. I have carried them as back-ups to my G27 before, but the extra length caused them not to fit well in my pocket (I don't carry them on my belt). There is a company out there that makes a slip-over adapter that goes over the longer mags to help with griping so you don't pinch your little finger when firing.

[GUNS-R-US]

I have 3 of the G22 Mags that I also use with my Kel-Tec Sub rifle. I have carried them as back-ups to my G27 before, but the extra length caused them not to fit well in my pocket (I don't carry them on my belt). There is a company out there that makes a slip-over adapter that goes over the longer mags to help with griping so you don't pinch your little finger when firing.

I've got the extensions from Grip X on mine. and DeSantis makes a pocket holster for mags that keeps the Mag in your pocket at a 45º angle. It works pretty good for me with loose slacks. The length of the mag does leave a bump in my pocket, but it just looks like a set of keys or something like that.

[PegLeg45]

I've got the extensions from Grip X on mine. and DeSantis makes a pocket holster for mags that keeps the Mag in your pocket at a 45º angle. It works pretty good for me with loose slacks. The length of the mag does leave a bump in my pocket, but it just looks like a set of keys or something like that.

Grip X...thanks, I couldn't remember.
I'll check out the DeSantis pocket holster too.

[Rob Pincus]

I've come full circle. I used to preach .45 acp.

Then I switched to the wonder-round (40 S&W) in the mid '90s.

After watching thousands of students train and studying the empirical evidence, I think that 9mm is the best choice for 95+% of the people carrying a semi-auto for personal defense. (the other 5% is a small group of elite level shooters who really control the larger calibers incredibly well in defensive guns).

I have come to the belief that "one shot stops" are significantly more likely to be psychological than physical in an actual fight and the badguy can't tell the difference between .38/9/40/45 when he takes that hit. If he stops because he's scared or shocked, he stops. Yes, the larger rounds can do more physical damage individually, but the vast majority of defensive situations call for multiple rounds and everyone is going to be able to fire multiple rounds strings of fire faster under the same deviation control from a given gun in 9mm than from the same given gun in a more powerful caliber.

I am heavily invested in .40 S&W handguns, but if I were starting my collection over again today, I'd never buy one for personal defense.

-RJP

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[twyacht]

I am heavily invested in .40 S&W handguns, but if I were starting my collection over again today, I'd never buy one for personal defense.

-RJP

That's a bold statement Rob, and forgive me for questioning, but I am specifically interested in why?

LEO's, State Troopers, multiple Sheriff Dept's, use their .40 S&W for SD on duty, the round hasn't changed, the ballistics are what they are.....on paper,....more effective than 9mm...

So, in your professional opinion, makes a "never buy one for SD" such a blanket opinion. You know the round and platforms used. They are effective.

For those that choose, like my full size M+P in .40, recoil is not an issue, I practice frequently, and of course can improve, however,
I feel comfortable with it, can utilize it in an SD situation in my home, and was just curious and interested, in your expansion of that post.

Thank you,

tw.

[tombogan03884]

I'd like to hear your reasoning as well.
I'm no fan of the .40, but I really don't have any facts other than it is relatively new.

[m25operator]

Since I am up way past bedtime, and sure Rob is getting is beauty sleep, I will just give my opinion and you can find it MB downrange radio # I don't know which. To me, it is the recoil impulse, the time it gets the slide to function, return to battery and get back on target, it is not the force of the recoil, just this abnormal waiting for things to happen vs a 9mm or .45, now this is full house defense ammo, not custom tailored for competition, I still have one, a Kahr M40, the grips a so small you get complete control of the pistol, it is heavy, and it shoots so accurately I just want to keep it. I shot head to head with a G27, and I outshot it, except for the additional 4 rds the 27 had, remember, more rounds, the longer you can fight.

I dislike my Benelli M1 super 90 for the same reason, the recoil impulse is very weird to me, technically it may be faster, but my 1187 Remington I can start from the ready and clear 5 plates in 1.8 seconds all day long. The Benelli makes a fine hunting shotgun though. Maybe my 1st choice for Turkey and of going after hogs in thick brush. Trusty over and under, is 1st choice for birds.

[ericire12]

Bring enough gun Bring ONLY enough gun.

[Timothy]

Bring enough gun Bring ONLY enough gun.

Hell, I'd carry a shotgun but people would look at me funny...

 

I was comfortable with a .45 thirty five years ago, I'm comfortable with one today.  Looking for a pocket 9mm for hot summer days but 10 round mags here are the max....unless you're lucky enough to find a pre-ban like my daughter did in her Sig P228.