Orrin has been a bit of a mystery to me, I watched him go toe to toe, during the Clinton Omnibus crime bill hearings, he was articulate, and did not back off, asked over and over if his colleagues had read it? Then would slam it on the table and say I did. You would think with that kind of will, he would always be in our corner, however, he has made some questionable decisions in the last 10 yrs. At 1 point I wanted him to go for president, Now not so much. Any Utah members out there with more recent knowledge want to chime in?