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Wikileaks
« on: July 26, 2010, 12:49:29 AM »
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100726/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_afghanistan_wikileaks

WASHINGTON – Some 90,000 leaked U.S. military records posted online Sunday amount to a blow-by-blow account of six years of the Afghanistan war, including unreported incidents of Afghan civilian killings as well as covert operations against Taliban figures.

The online whistle-blower WikiLeaks posted the documents on its website Sunday. The New York Times, London's Guardian newspaper and the German weekly Der Spiegel were given early access to the documents.

The White House condemned the document disclosure, saying it "put the lives of Americans and our partners at risk."

The leaked records include detailed descriptions of raids carried out by a secretive U.S. special operations unit called Task Force 373 against what U.S. officials considered high-value insurgent and terrorist targets. Some of the raids resulted in unintended killings of Afghan civilians, according to the documentation.

Among those listed as being killed by the secretive unit was Shah Agha, described by the Guardian as an intelligence officer for an IED cell, who was killed with four other men in June 2009. Another was a Libyan fighter, Abu Laith al-Libi, described in the documents as a senior al-Qaida military commander. Al-Libi was said to be based across the border in Mir Ali, Pakistan, and was running al-Qaida training camps in North Waziristan, a region along the Afghan border where U.S. officials have said numerous senior al-Qaida leaders were believed to be hiding.

The operation against al-Libi, in June 2007, resulted in a death tally that one U.S. military document said include six enemy fighters and seven noncombatants — all children.

The Guardian reported that more than 2,000 senior figures from the Taliban and al-Qaida are on a "kill or capture" list, known as JPEL, the Joint Prioritized Effects List. It was from this list that Task Force 373 selected its targets.

The New York Times said the documents — including classified cables and assessments between military officers and diplomats — also describe U.S. fears that ally Pakistan's intelligence service was actually aiding the Afghan insurgency.

According to the Times, the documents suggest Pakistan "allows representatives of its spy service to meet directly with the Taliban in secret strategy sessions  to organize networks of militant groups that fight against American soldiers in Afghanistan, and even hatch plots to assassinate Afghan leaders."

The Guardian, however, interpreted the documents differently, saying they "fail to provide a convincing smoking gun" for complicity between the Pakistan intelligence services and the Taliban.

In a statement released Sunday, White House national security adviser Gen. Jim Jones lauded a deeper partnership between the U.S. and Pakistan, saying, "Counterterrorism cooperation has led to significant blows against al-Qaida's leadership." Still, he called on Pakistan to continue its "strategic shift against insurgent groups."

Pakistan's Ambassador to the U.S. Husain Haqqani said the documents "do not reflect the current on-ground realities." The United States, Afghanistan and Pakistan are "jointly endeavoring to defeat al-Qaida and its Taliban allies militarily and politically," he added.

Der Spiegel, meanwhile, reported that the records show Afghan security officers as helpless victims of Taliban attacks.

The magazine said the documents show a growing threat in the north, where German troops are stationed.

The classified documents are largely what's called "raw intelligence" — reports from junior officers in the field that analysts use to advise policymakers, rather than any high-level government documents that state U.S. government policy.

While the documents provide a glimpse of a world the public rarely sees, the overall picture they portray is already familiar to most Americans. U.S. officials have already publicly denounced Pakistani officials' cooperation with some insurgents, like the Haqqani network in Pakistan's tribal areas.

The success of U.S. special operating forces teams at taking out Taliban targets has been publicly lauded by U.S. military and intelligence officials. And just-resigned Gen. Stanley McChrystal, who was leading the Afghan war effort, made protecting Afghan civilians one of the hallmarks of his command, complaining that too many Afghans had been accidentally killed by Western firepower.

WikiLeaks said the leaked documents "do not generally cover top-secret operations." The site also reported that it had "delayed the release of some 15,000 reports" as part of what it called "a harm minimization process demanded by our source," but said it may release the other documents after further review.

Jones, the White House adviser, took pains to point out that the documents describe a period from January 2004 to December 2009, mostly during the administration of President George W. Bush.

That was before "President Obama announced a new strategy with a substantial increase in resources for Afghanistan, and increased focus on al-Qaida and Taliban safe havens in Pakistan, precisely because of the grave situation that had developed over several years," Jones said.

But Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said, "However illegally these documents came to light, they raise serious questions about the reality of America's policy toward Pakistan and Afghanistan."

A different U.S. official said the Obama administration had already told Pakistani and Afghan officials what to expect from the document release, in order to head off some of the more embarrassing revelations.

Another U.S. official said it may take days to comb through all the documents to see what they mean to the U.S. war effort and determine their potential damage to national security. That official added that the U.S. isn't certain who leaked the documents.

Another official said teams of analysts started examining the documents the moment they were disclosed online.

All three officials spoke on condition of anonymity to comment on the release of classified material.

U.S. government agencies have been bracing for the release of thousands more classified documents since the leak of a classified helicopter cockpit video of a 2007 firefight in Baghdad. That leak was blamed on a U.S. Army intelligence analyst working in Iraq.

Spc. Bradley Manning, 22, of Potomac, Md., was arrested in Iraq and charged earlier this month with multiple counts of mishandling and leaking classified data, after a former hacker turned him in. Manning had bragged to the hacker, Adrian Lamo, that he had downloaded 260,000 classified or sensitive State Department cables and transmitted them by computer to the website Wikileaks.org.

Lamo turned Manning in to U.S. authorities, saying he couldn't live with the thought that those released documents might get someone killed.


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Re: Wikileaks
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2010, 12:54:10 AM »
WTF. Hey here is our playbook mind looking it over and telling us of any holes in it.
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Re: Wikileaks
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2010, 01:02:39 AM »
Sounds more like some REMF collected "war stories".
But when I first saw the list of magazines and papers my first reaction was , PLANT !
Some one who actually knew what he was doing could have badly damaged the US.

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Re: Wikileaks
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2010, 06:09:04 AM »
this gives an insight to what the site is like


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THE founder of Wikileaks says angry reactions to the release of tens of thousands of US military documents on the Afghan war show the whistleblower website is succeeding in its mission.
Julian Assange, 39, an Australian former hacker and computer programmer, told the Guardian newspaper: "If journalism is good it is controversial by its nature.
"It is the role of good journalism to take on powerful abuses, and when powerful abuses are taken on, there is always a back reaction.

"So we see that controversy and we believe that is a good thing to engage in."
The site, which styles itself as "the first intelligence agency of the people", was founded in December 2006 and invited would-be whistleblowers from around the world to make anonymous contributions.
It attained international fame in 2009 when it published internal documents from multinational shipping company Trafigura implicating the firm in toxic waste dumping in the Ivory Coast.

Until the Afghan dossier, Wikileaks' most prominent scoop was a video posted in April this year showing a US Apache helicopter strike in Baghdad in 2007. Around a dozen civilians were gunned down, including two Reuters employees.
A US soldier, Private First Class Bradley E Manning, was charged earlier this month with misconduct over the leak.
The site has also hosted a copy of the US Army's operating procedures for the detention centre at Guantanamo Bay, and emails from the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia implying scientists had hidden flaws in their data.
Mr Assange says the site operates from servers in countries including Sweden and Belgium, whose laws help to protect its information.
It has about half a dozen full-time volunteers and can call on 800 to 1000 people for expertise in areas such as encryption, programming and writing news releases, the New York Times said.
In May this year Mr Assange's passport was briefly confiscated by Australian authorities and he said in June that lawyers had advised him not to travel to the US.
The US Government has repeatedly criticised the site, saying its disclosures threaten national security and endanger lives, and may present a biased picture.
The White House denounced the leak of the Afghan papers and a US official said the site was "not an objective news outlet but rather an organisation that opposes US policy in Afghanistan".
But Mr Assange said he believed publication was in the public interest, and told the New York Times that Wikileaks had withheld the documents from release until it could redact the names of individuals whose safety might be at risk.
"It shows not only the severe incidents but the general squalor of war, from the death of individual children to major operations that kill hundreds," he said.


Read more: http://www.news.com.au/technology/wikileaks-founder-defends-decision-to-publish-thousands-of-afghan-war-documents/story-e6frfro0-1225897104402#ixzz0umlrYeDB
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Re: Wikileaks
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2010, 09:17:53 AM »
Maybe just a little bias here?
"Until the Afghan dossier, Wikileaks' most prominent scoop was a video posted in April this year showing a US Apache helicopter strike in Baghdad in 2007. Around a dozen civilians were gunned down, including two Reuters employees."
If you've seen the actual video you will have noticed that those "civilian" were carrying AK-47s & RPGs.

Exit question:  How come these sites never leak anything like Obama's school financial aid records or John Kerry's military record?  Oh, never mind, I'm afraid I already know the answer.   :(

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Re: Wikileaks
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Re: Wikileaks
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2010, 03:10:23 PM »
More to what Ichiban posted, this albino weirdo Assange guy, is anti war, anti big gov't, and a fruitcake.

The 2007 Apache Air Strike cockpit audio was released and exonerated the pilots, as the Reuters "journalists" were embedded with active insurgents, armed and firing on American soldiers.

Darwin Candidates......to be sure.

The doc's also implicate Pakistan helping insurgents, (yet, the U.S. still gives them $2Billion this year?), most normal folks knew this years ago.

(more info here) http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/26/world/asia/26isi.html?_r=1&hp

Another great article, http://hotair.com/archives/2010/07/26/wikileaks-document-dump-exposes-what-everyone-knows-about-af-pak-war/

Here's one for you?

WHO IS THE LEAKER??????



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Re: Wikileaks
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2010, 03:16:56 PM »
Exit question:  How come these sites never leak anything like Obama's school financial aid records or John Kerry's military record?  Oh, never mind, I'm afraid I already know the answer.   :(

+1.  Although I think I know the answer, too.   >:(
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Re: Wikileaks
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2010, 03:29:34 PM »
Sounds more like some REMF collected "war stories".
But when I first saw the list of magazines and papers my first reaction was , PLANT !
Some one who actually knew what he was doing could have badly damaged the US.

Get a copy of Ghost Wars by Steve Coll. It won the Pulitzer prize in 2005
Just about everything about US Pakistan Afghan relations was already in there 5 years ago.

Read Mike Yon's blogs when he was inbedded there. All the manpower, supply and logistics issues are listed there 2-5 years ago.

Nothing new to anyone who was the least bit interested.




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Re: Wikileaks
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2010, 02:11:50 AM »
More to what Ichiban posted, this albino weirdo Assange guy, is anti war, anti big gov't, and a fruitcake.

The 2007 Apache Air Strike cockpit audio was released and exonerated the pilots, as the Reuters "journalists" were embedded with active insurgents, armed and firing on American soldiers.

Darwin Candidates......to be sure.

The doc's also implicate Pakistan helping insurgents, (yet, the U.S. still gives them $2Billion this year?), most normal folks knew this years ago.

(more info here) http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/26/world/asia/26isi.html?_r=1&hp

Another great article, http://hotair.com/archives/2010/07/26/wikileaks-document-dump-exposes-what-everyone-knows-about-af-pak-war/

Here's one for you?

WHO IS THE LEAKER??????





From the OP

"U.S. government agencies have been bracing for the release of thousands more classified documents since the leak of a classified helicopter cockpit video of a 2007 firefight in Baghdad. That leak was blamed on a U.S. Army intelligence analyst working in Iraq.

Spc. Bradley Manning, 22, of Potomac, Md., was arrested in Iraq and charged earlier this month with multiple counts of mishandling and leaking classified data, after a former hacker turned him in. Manning had bragged to the hacker, Adrian Lamo, that he had downloaded 260,000 classified or sensitive State Department cables and transmitted them by computer to the website Wikileaks.org."

From Phil's post

Until the Afghan dossier, Wikileaks' most prominent scoop was a video posted in April this year showing a US Apache helicopter strike in Baghdad in 2007. Around a dozen civilians were gunned down, including two Reuters employees.
A US soldier, Private First Class Bradley E Manning, was charged earlier this month with misconduct over the leak.

I will note here that either Phil's post got his rank wrong or he already lost a stripe. He would not have been deployed if he was not at least a Specialist (E-4 ) since you get that for completeing your technical training.

Get a copy of Ghost Wars by Steve Coll. It won the Pulitzer prize in 2005
Just about everything about US Pakistan Afghan relations was already in there 5 years ago.

Read Mike Yon's blogs when he was inbedded there. All the manpower, supply and logistics issues are listed there 2-5 years ago.

Nothing new to anyone who was the least bit interested.


I did read both, Twice for "Ghost Wars" .  You make my point perfectly, some one who really wanted to , and had a clue, could have spun perfectly innocent documents in such a way as to discredit our Country.
This Mallninja wannabe, who will spend the rest of his life bragging about how he was in "Intel", or "Special Ops", was doing nothing but collecting "Shoot'em up" war stories .

PS RC55 Have you read Billy Waugh's book "Hunting the Jackal" ?

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Re: Wikileaks
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2010, 11:20:39 AM »
PS RC55 Have you read Billy Waugh's book "Hunting the Jackal" ?


No. Thanks I'll grab a copy.

 

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