Some Editorial Cartoons Are Tooooooo Accurate!

[tombogan03884]

One of the guys at work today comes out with "you guys think I'm such a "Liberal", you know who has impressed me ?
 When he said Lindsey Graham I had a sh!t hemorrhage  
But after I calmly explained  (That mot#$rfuc*^% is such a RINO he ought to have a horn on his nose )
I mentioned that he and people like him are the problem, he knows nothing about politics, and makes no attempt to learn,
He and the rest of the Obama voters deserve every single thing he jams up their butts, they were to stupid or lazy to do any research. He put more effort into finding the right plow truck than into who is going to lead the nation.

[Solus]

I remember reading the story about a grade school class holing an election for Class President.

One kid promised some reasonable action, nothing outside of what kids could do for their class while the other candidate promised Free Ice Cream.

When questioned by the class about where the ice cream would come from, she didn't know.  When asked who would pay for the ice cream, she didn't know.  All she knew was that she promised Free Ice Cream if she was elected.  She got elected. 

Same thing that has gotten us into the mess with voters...all they see is the Free Ice Cream. 

Sad thing is, there may be lots of kids who DO get Free Ice Cream with government provided lunch programs.

Try to convince them as adults that the politicians who gave them Free Ice Cream as a kid don't deserve his vote.

As long as the politicians keep them in need of Free Ice Cream and then provide it, they get re-elected.

[billt]

Just keep all of this in perspective 89 days from now.   Bill T.

[tombogan03884]

Was talking to the same guy the day before about the upcoming ethics trials, I mentioned what Maxine Waters said about banks only verify income so they can deny Black people loans, he says, "that's probably true" I asked if HE would loan some one thousands or tens of thousands of dollars with out being darn sure they could pay him back

[fightingquaker13]

Was talking to the same guy the day before about the upcoming ethics trials, I mentioned what Maxine Waters said about banks only verify income so they can deny Black people loans, he says, "that's probably true" I asked if HE would loan some one thousands or tens of thousands of dollars with out being darn sure they could pay him back

That's the problem. Sometimes government DOES need to be the lender. Promising, but poor students, first time home buyers who can turn a neighborhood around, or promising tech startups that no one else will fund? Not a problem. Worst case, we'll do a little worse than break even short term, but win long term. Problem? When we stop asking "What can you do for us"?, and just start handing out the ice cream to everybody.  Ice cream for honor students, most improved? I'll buy it. Ice cream for everyone? No chance in hell.
FQ13 who thinks even this is pushing it, but lives in the real world.

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[tombogan03884]

FQ has a valid point, the Concorde and F 35 are the direct result of Govt. investment in aviation during the early 1900's.
But he misses my point that no one with any sense would loan money with out some hope of receiving some benefit, in this case a strong aviation industry in the event of a war.

[fightingquaker13]

FQ has a valid point, the Concorde and F 35 are the direct result of Govt. investment in aviation during the early 1900's.
But he misses my point that no one with any sense would loan money with out some hope of receiving some benefit, in this case a strong aviation industry in the event of a war.

The idea behind government low income home loans (which were not the driving force behind the crash, though they didn't help), was to remove urban blight, and improve income levels and cut government dependence. The idea is this. By helping turn a neighborhood of renters into one made up in large part of homeowners, you give people an investment and sense of ownerhip of the place. Studies (and common sense) show that a home owner has a lot less tolerance for quality of life crimes that mess with the value of their property and will fight it, where a renter will just move. Likewise, in a normal market, a house is the average person's store of wealth. It gives them collateral for loans for medical bills, the kid's college etc. Likewise, it is something to be passed on to the next generation. Increasing homeownership serves the purpose of creating an investor society. Not sure how far I buy into the government's programs, but the reasoning has some merit.
FQ13

[tombogan03884]

No argument with what you just posted, but the programs should be at the local level, since it is not the job of the Feds, nor does the Constitution authorize them to meddle in such affairs.
I'll just refer you to Boone's speech about spending.
It's really long so I won't post it unless some of the newer members missed it in previous threads.

[Pathfinder]

That's the problem. Sometimes government DOES need to be the lender. Promising, but poor students, first time home buyers who can turn a neighborhood around, or promising tech startups that no one else will fund? Not a problem. Worst case, we'll do a little worse than break even short term, but win long term. Problem? When we stop asking "What can you do for us"?, and just start handing out the ice cream to everybody.  Ice cream for honor students, most improved? I'll buy it. Ice cream for everyone? No chance in hell.
FQ13 who thinks even this is pushing it, but lives in the real world.

And the US Constitution grants the power for the US gummint to grant student loans where?

<sound of crickets chirping>

Or even free ice cream? ? ?

<more crickets>

faux "libertarian"!

[Solus]

No argument with what you just posted, but the programs should be at the local level, since it is not the job of the Feds, nor does the Constitution authorize them to meddle in such affairs.
I'll just refer you to Boone's speech about spending.
It's really long so I won't post it unless some of the newer members missed it in previous threads.

Not only should they be local, most of them should be private or by donation.

I think the local PTA can spot Honor Students deserving Ice Cream better than an agency in DC.  They can also canvas the Chamber of Commerce. Alumni Association, and all the local Ice Cream Parlors for donations and get the job done cheaper and with no obligation to the Feds for helping you with your own money.

Every Realtor and Home Construction Co. would be interested in jump starting any neighborhood, particularly in today's housing market.  Local businesses have a vested interest in keeping the neighborhood vital.  No doubt the locals would do a better job at picking the best candidates for home ownership assistance.

Where will all this local money come from?   Think about the extra cash you would have if your Federal tax burden were reduced to one forth, or less, of what is was last April.  And I firmly believe that you will produce more benefit for giving 50 cents to local charity than the dollar the government took from you was bringing.  And 50% waste is likely an under estimate.

I have faith that folks will help others if they see they will be dong some good, don't think "They" (Government) is responsible for helping their neighbors, and have direct input with every contribution they decide to make or not make on who deserves the help.

The locals will decide who need "welfare", and I bet if you are receiving local charity to help you through, adding another dependent to your household won't mean you get more money next time...most likely it will mean you get none.

Just the fact that you are directly helping folks you can see every day will greatly increase the feeling of "Community" in the area.  Folks will be taking "ownership" of their neighborhood, knowing it is in their hands and their responsibility and privilege to help build their community and the Feds have no say or ability to interfere.

If everyone turns greedy and decides to hang on to their money and not help, it will be a very sad thing indeed but it is still not the Governments directive to force folks to chip in at gun point......and taxes are exactly that....guys with guns will ultimately show up  to enforce tax laws.  How many 870s did the IRS order?

I have more faith in the people of this country than to think greed will take over.  I have seen stories of folks driving hundreds of miles to help stack sand bags or haul supplies to stricken communities.   The internet and broadcast TV insures the plight of those in need is know far and wide.