Pro-Gun Grassroots Groups Taking the Lead in Gun Rights Fight

[tombogan03884]

Anyone have the skinny on the SAF? Maybe they'd sue NJ so I could get a CCW in my own state.

Good outfit, They were the ones pushing Heller, and McDonald, as well as the current suits against NY and NC.
I don't know that they have anything going on in NJ, but if you start it they will help.

[jaybet]

If I had a few bucks to rub together I'd join them, then pay the fees and apply for CCW. I don't have the money nor the stamina for "JAYBET VS nj".

[twyacht]

they could have atleast helped, but they didn't.  CA has more gun owners then most states have population.

Wrong again... Sorry, 2001 was the most recent I could get...I'm sure they have even increased by now...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/health/interactives/guns/ownership.html

Gun Ownership by State
In 2001 the Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System (BRFSS) in North Carolina surveyed 201,881 respondents nationwide, asking them, "Are any firearms now kept in or around your home? Include those kept in a garage, outdoor storage area, car, truck, or other motor vehicle." Here are the results.

   Total Number    Yes    No
Respondents    %    Respondents    %
All Participants    201881    67,786    31.7    134095    68.3
Alabama    2,623    1,294    51.7    1,329    48.3
Alaska    2,716    1,627    57.8    1,089    42.2
Arizona    3,066    989    31.1    2,077    68.9
Arkansas    2,780    1,431    55.3    1,349    44.7
California*    3,897    846    21.3    3,051    78.7
Colorado    1,947    629    34.7    1,318    65.3
Connecticut*    7,449    1,279    16.7    6,170    83.3
Delaware*    3,421    934    25.5    2,487    74.5
The District    1,859    66    3.8    1,793    96.2
Florida*    4,454    1,072    24.5    3,382    75.5
Georgia    4,277    1,745    40.3    2,532    59.7
Hawaii*    4,450    477    8.7    3,973    91.3
Idaho    4,430    2,394    55.3    2,036    44.7
Illinois*    2,103    396    20.2    1,707    79.8
Indiana    3,851    1,390    39.1    2,461    60.9
Iowa*    3,508    1,370    42.8    2,138    57.2
Kansas    4,421    1,715    42.1    2,706    57.9
Kentucky    7,245    3,664    47.7    3,581    52.3
Louisiana    4,800    1,977    44.1    2,823    55.9
Maine    2,326    869    40.5    1,457    59.5
Maryland*    4,271    1,028    21.3    3,243    78.7
Massachusetts*    8,474    934    12.6    7,540    87.4
Michigan    3,653    1,339    38.4    2,314    61.6
Minnesota*    3,837    1,468    41.7    2,369    58.3
Mississippi    2,841    1,481    55.3    1,360    44.7
Missouri    3,981    1,753    41.7    2,228    58.3
Montana    3,066    1,723    57.7    1,343    42.3
Nebraska    3,584    1,342    38.6    2,242    61.4
Nevada*    2,379    887    33.8    1,492    66.2
New Hampshire*    3,863    1,091    30.0    2,772    70.0
New Jersey*    5,901    597    12.3    5,304    87.7
New Mexico    3,439    1,212    34.8    2,227    65.2
New York    3,822    667    18.0    3,155    82.0
North Carolina*    5,906    2,070    41.3    3,836    58.7
North Dakota    2,422    1,158    50.7    1,264    49.3
Ohio    3,288    897    32.4    2,391    67.6
Oklahoma    4,243    1,896    42.9    2,347    57.1
Oregon    2,433    901    39.8    1,532    60.2
Pennsylvania    3,533    1,160    34.7    2,373    65.3
Rhode Island*    4,024    493    12.8    3,531    87.2
South Carolina    3,038    1,273    42.3    1,765    57.7
South Dakota    4,921    2,595    56.6    2,326    43.4
Tennessee    2,774    1,123    43.9    1,651    56.1
Texas*    5,667    2,030    35.9    3,637    64.1
Utah    3,439    1,634    43.9    1,805    56.1
Vermont    4,190    1,639    42.0    2,551    58.0
Virginia*    2,831    967    35.1    1,864    64.9
Washington    4,022    1,244    33.1    2,778    66.9
West Virginia    2,945    1,513    55.4    1,432    44.6
Wisconsin*    3,290    1,307    44.4    1,983    55.6
Wyoming    2,859    1,614    59.7    1,245    40.3
Guam    859    115    14.3    744    85.7
Puerto Rico    4,230    275    6.7    3,955    93.3
Virgin Islands    2,233    196    8.3    2,037    91.7

SOURCE: BRFSS Survey Results 2001, Nationwide

© 2004 The Washington Post Company

Put the bong down, take the Birkenstocks off, step away from the fruit and nuts., To clarify, 78% of Kalifornians DO NOT OWN GUNS! as of 2001...

http://gunowners.org/fs0404.htm

Regardless of the pissing contest TAB, we like our guns, we want the FED, State, etc,... to back off us law abiding folks, and the NRA is an advocate to that end.

We may not like how or why , but I'll rally around an NRA member, if the SHTF, rather than an Abercrombie & Fitch character anyday.

[MikeBjerum]

welcome to the club, I've been done with the NRA for over a decade.  The NRA is no friend to gun owners...

TAB, we've gone through this with you in the past.  True, the NRA isn't perfect, and they have pulled some bone headed deals in my opinion.  However, we are far better with them than without.  Also, and here I feel like I'm beating a dead horse with you, you are the NRA, I am the NRA, we are the NRA.  What have you done to be a part of the organization and to fight for or against these issues?  The NRA is a very large grassroots organization, and as soon as the membership forgets it is grassroots it quits working.

[tombogan03884]

WOW TAB, Ca only beat big Ole NH by 34 gun owners. with almost 35 TIMES the population
Even Rhode Island has more than CA. 
So much for another TABism.   

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[TAB]

WOW TAB, Ca only beat big Ole NH by 34 gun owners. with almost 35 TIMES the population
Even Rhode Island has more than CA. 
So much for another TABism.   

polled 200k people... thats not even a good sample size for CA.  The county I live in has 3x that.  and its a low population county.

[tt11758]

polled 200k people... thats not even a good sample size for CA.  The county I live in has 3x that.  and its a low population county.

Yeah, we know TAB.......and right to carry laws have no effect on crime rates.

I see your lips moving, dude, but all I'm hearing is , "WAAA, WAAA, WAAA."

[PegLeg45]

polled 200k people... thats not even a good sample size for CA.  The county I live in has 3x that.  and its a low population county.

Then, following the theory of 'strength in numbers', with so many gun owners in CA, sounds like the majority of them (when it comes to voting and/or standing up for their rights) are a bunch of lazy/dumb asses.
DRTV members and company from CA are excluded from that statement.

[TAB]

Then, following the theory of 'strength in numbers', with so many gun owners in CA, sounds like the majority of them (when it comes to voting and/or standing up for their rights) are a bunch of lazy/dumb asses.
DRTV members and company from CA are excluded from that statement.

even if CA has say 10 mil gun owners, that still leaves 20 mill people that are not gun owners.  SF bay area and LA run this state, its just the way it is. they just have too much population.

[PegLeg45]

Hard to fight those numbers, but maybe a good solid grass-roots type pro-gun movement could educate the ignorant folks that don't own guns. Steal half the non-gunners from the majority. It's one of those things that will have to start from within.

Heck, no easy solution.