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Re: The Mosin's Have Arrived ! (Pic Heavy)
« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2010, 09:04:16 PM »
What is your cleaning method after pouring a ton of corrosive downrange? Another question: Are the stripper clips foolproof, or can you insert them inverted causing the rims to interfere with each other.

Hoppe's No. 9, and a lot of it...Originally designed for corrosive ammo, it dissolves the "crud" mui pronto. Oil to finish. swabs will be black to green than clear.

Stripper clips for my Mauser are rudimentary. the rifle was constructed to insert, use thumb, and vertically push all five rounds straight down.

The genius of the design , for both Mausers, Mannlichers, Moisins, is their ability to feed because of the bolt. They go into the mag well, which is just wide enough to allow a "staggered" feed, which the bolt, and huge Mauser copied claw, grab and load, than extract.

Keep it simple stupid was the plan, it still works, and it's foolproof.



You have not seen the people I have to deal with....... number one issue they have is loading wrong. Mosins have an interrupter to prevent rims catching but it didn't make it fool proof.

#2 is a dirty chamber and the steel cased shells will start to bind after heavy shooting and they can't open the bolt without a struggle. Brass cased seems to eliminate this issue as its more forgiving.

I had to help one guy that was actually forcing the round into the magazine ahead of the stripper clip/rim slot. Not sure how he did it, but he did.

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Re: The Mosin's Have Arrived ! (Pic Heavy)
« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2010, 09:09:05 PM »
What really amazes me about a lot of these older military rifles like these and Mausers is the machining. You have to realize they had no CNC back then. Everything was cranked by hand. No ball screws, all the machines had backlash. When you look at the tangent rear sight, that changing radius had to be cut all manually, and it had to be right or the sight would be worthless. All had to be the same. Exactly the same. Thousands of rifles. Also they had no Carbide cutting tools. I don't think they even had Stellite back in the 20's and 30's, especially in Russia. It's amazing how well these weapons were made. Now it seems every new model gets recalled for something or other.   Bill T.

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« Reply #22 on: August 19, 2010, 03:57:34 PM »
I wish I could have captured the aromatic smell after I opened the boxes. Something about the smell of Cosmoline with the added odor of shellac to suggest just the right amount of Olga's toenails were added to the mix for that beautiful sheen. The whole house smells like a WW II weapons depot!  Bill T.

Now we know Mel's secrets.  If she wants to get your attention she dabs a little cosmoline behind her ear?    ;D
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« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2010, 04:12:49 PM »
What lookers they are!!  8) Great additions!!

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« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2010, 11:09:10 AM »
Good info on cleaning after using corrosive ammo:

http://www.empirearms.com/clean.htm

How to properly clean after using corrosive ammo

This is how I do it... it's easy, it's fast, and it's effective. Best of all you can do it while still on the firing-line and thus not offend your significant other with the usually pungent stench of commercial cleaners in your home.

Dilute regular household ammonia (sudsy is best but regular is OK too) to 2/1 or 3/1 with water (it can be as much as 10/1 if the smell really gets to you). Keep in a small bottle to take with you to the range but label it well so you don't mistake it for contact-lens solution or something (yeeeowww!) 

After you are done firing and while still at the range moisten (not dripping-wet, but sorta-soaked) a patch and run it down the bore and back once.  This instantly will neutralize and dissolve the corrosive salt-compounds from the primers and start in on the copper and powder fouling with a vengeance. 

Let stand for thirty seconds or so (just enough time to take off and throw away the ammonia-patch you just used and put a new, dry patch on your rod).  Run the dry patch (or several) down the bore and you are most literally done. 

DON'T OVERDO IT! More ISN'T better in this case...

You really don't want to slop ammonia (especially if heavily concentrated) all over the blued parts of the gun (as it will likely start to remove bluing after 30 minutes or so) and you also shouldn't leave the ammonia in the bore for an extended period of time (like hours, although I do know folks who do that anyway) as that may (not WILL, but MAY) cause "crazing" (microscopic pitting) of the metal.   I also have to caution against slopping ammonia on the wooden parts of your rifle, as it will usually strip the finish down to bare-wood, BUT if you follow my advise on HOW MUCH ammonia to use (only enough to dampen, but not soak, a single patch per gun) you will not EVER experience ANY problems at all...

If you are worried about primer residue getting on the bolt-face you may want to quickly wipe it with the wet patch before throwing the thing away and quickly dry it.  Same thing with the gas-tube in a semi-automatic rifle... don't go overboard, just wet it and dry it and get done with it. 

As a final precaution (since the ammonia will also kill all lubricants and leave the metal very dry) you can run a patch of gun-oil down the bore and leave it like that for protection from the elements (just be sure to run a dry patch down the bore before shooting it again).

I've been cleaning guns this way (including *every* gun we sell) for nearly thirty years, and have never had rust form in any bore (even here in humid Florida).

However, if you are (like some folks I have met) completely obsessed about leaving traces of ANY powder or copper residue in the bore of your weapon, you can certainly follow up your "field-cleaning" with a detailed, strenuous, traditional cleaning once you are home (or in a week or month from then). But I warn you... your bore is much more be likely to be damaged from your over-enthusiastic scrubbing to get out that "last speck of copper" (which has no affect on the actual accuracy of your firearm) than it will with all the rounds you could possibly send down it during your lifetime.

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« Reply #25 on: August 23, 2010, 04:38:37 AM »
Blackwolfe,

That's good info, thanks.   Bill T.

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« Reply #26 on: November 26, 2010, 12:10:07 PM »
The 38's and 44's kick like guvamint mules.  They also throw a hellatious fireball. 

My 91-30's clean up real neat with the treatment described by blackhawke.

Couple of notes!  The barrels get hot.  REAL hot, REAL quick.  Your groups are going to skew.  They are ALSO sighted in with those bayonets FIXED.  If you're not going to use it, re-zero it without.  The triggers "usually" need a little "polish".  Easily enough done.  Mine are not "tack drivers", but at 300 I am going to make you WICKED uncomfortable...

Also!  WATCH your BULLET WEIGHTS!  Those 203 gr. monsters are for Dragunovs...in a 38 or 44 they will REALLY bruise your shoulder!

There is a website dedicated to "All things 7.62X54R".  Do a quick google.  You'll find it, as well as an incalculable amount of info!

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« Reply #27 on: November 26, 2010, 12:12:41 PM »
Almost forgot...CTD has the strippers for the best price I have seen.  I ONLY keep the pouches, doubles...came with my 91-30's), filled with them.  I can pack 5 rds into the mag ALMOST as fast without them...practice makes perfect, and all that...

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« Reply #28 on: November 26, 2010, 02:17:35 PM »
From david86440 "And I've heard grown men on this forum crying about the hard kicking mosins!!!!!!!!!"


The 38's and 44's kick like guvamint mules.  They also throw a hellatious fireball.  

My 91-30's clean up real neat with the treatment described by blackhawke.

Couple of notes!  The barrels get hot.  REAL hot, REAL quick.  Your groups are going to skew.  They are ALSO sighted in with those bayonets FIXED.  If you're not going to use it, re-zero it without.  The triggers "usually" need a little "polish".  Easily enough done.  Mine are not "tack drivers", but at 300 I am going to make you WICKED uncomfortable...

Also!  WATCH your BULLET WEIGHTS!  Those 203 gr. monsters are for Dragunovs...in a 38 or 44 they will REALLY bruise your shoulder!

There is a website dedicated to "All things 7.62X54R".  Do a quick google.  You'll find it, as well as an incalculable amount of info!


Darn right Dave,  ;D  But it has since been explained to me about the "Light Ball" and "Heavy Ball".
I would like to try shooting the Light ball (147 grain ) in one some time.

Billt, The "ball screw operated milling machine, as with almost all metal working machinery was developed back before the Civil war for Colt, that's why the most common brand is "Bridgeport" they were built in Bridgeport Conn to be close to their then biggest customer who of course was in Hartford.
Otherwise I agree with you about the workmanship, then consider that guys from Colt, S&W, etc thought that compared to what they were turning out the Russian stuff was crap.   :o  What made our stuff better was in the finish, polishing etc.
When I first worked at T/C back in the late 80's some of the machines I ran had come from the Frankford Arsenal, 2 of them had the Makers plates and were dated 1918, they still got the job done 70 years later.

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Re: The Mosin's Have Arrived ! (Pic Heavy)
« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2010, 01:28:06 PM »
very nice!!!!

 

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