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Toledo Mayor to Marines: Leave downtown
« on: February 09, 2008, 12:28:41 PM »
A company of Marine Corps Reservists received a cold send-off from downtown Toledo yesterday by order of Mayor Carty Finkbeiner.

The 200 members of Company A, 1st Battalion, 24th Marines, based in Grand Rapids, Mich., planned to spend their weekend engaged in urban patrol exercises on the streets of downtown as well as inside the mostly vacant Madison Building, 607 Madison Ave.

Toledo police knew days in advance about their plans for a three-day exercise. Yet somehow the memo never made it to Mayor Finkbeiner, who ordered the Marines out yesterday afternoon just minutes before their buses were to arrive.

"The mayor asked them to leave because they frighten people," said Brian Schwartz, the mayor's spokesman.

"He did not want them practicing and drilling in a highly visible area."


So after a brief stop at a friendly base in Perrysburg Township, the Marines by early evening were back on their way home to Grand Rapids.

"I wish they would have told us this four hours ago," Staff Sgt. Andre Davis said.

Sergeant Davis, who traveled ahead of the five-bus convoy, stepped from his vehicle into downtown about 3:20 p.m. and was told by a city employee that the mayor wanted him and his soldiers packed up and out by 6 p.m.

Members of the 1st Battalion, 24th Marines have trained periodically in downtown Toledo since at least 2004 and most recently in May, 2006.

Past exercises have involved mock gun fights, ambushes, and the firing of blank ammunition.

The Marines' buses set a course for their battalion's Weapons Company headquarters in Perrysburg Township as soon as they heard of the mayor's decision.

The Reservists' visit was no surprise to Toledo police, who Tuesday issued a news release to media outlets on behalf of the Marines that asked Toledoans not to be startled by the sight of camouflaged soldiers toting M16 rifles.

Police officers were awaiting the Marines' arrival yesterday afternoon and had set up a roadblock at Madison Avenue and Huron Street.

"There was apparently a break in communication somewhere between the mayor and the police department," Mr. Schwartz said.

"Where that break was, we don't know yet."

Maj. Jeffrey O'Neill, the company's commanding officer, said he was disappointed by how events played out yesterday, especially because Toledo had been a gracious host for Marine exercises in the past.

"You can go to military ranges for live fire [exercises], but there's no way to duplicate the urban jungle unless you actually train inside a city," Major O'Neill said.

Mr. Schwartz said the Marines declined Mayor Finkbeiner's alternative offer for them to practice their urban patrol tactics inside the former Jones Junior High School, 550 Walbridge Ave.

Major O'Neill said he was not aware of such an offer.

A pair of Marines spent the better part of yesterday setting up the Madison Building with generators, heaters, radios, and food to become the unit's overnight headquarters.

After receiving the mayor's request to leave, they began the task of moving the equipment back into an armored Humvee.

Lance Cpl. Brandon Bukrey-McCarty, 22, recalled taking part in the company's 2006 urban patrol exercise in downtown Toledo.

He said he learned skills during that exercise that proved useful during the unit's deployment to Fallujah, Iraq, in 2006-2007.

"It was extremely helpful," Corporal Bukrey-McCarty said.

The training "got me used to looking up on rooftops, looking around every alley, every open door."

Sergeant Davis and other company leaders estimated the total cost of the aborted training exercise, including travel, at roughly $10,000.

Before he left downtown for Perrysburg Township, Major O'Neill said he was not sure what type of training, if any, his unit could undertake without access to downtown Toledo.

"But we're Marines," Major O'Neill said. "We'll adapt and overcome."


Here is the mayors e-mail address   mayor.toledo@toledo.oh.gov

link http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080209/NEWS16/802090394
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Re: Toledo Mayor to Marines: Leave downtown
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2008, 12:40:47 PM »
Sure hope terrorists don't attack Toledo!

The police department, and the mayor and his aides could be in for a tough fight since the Marines are not welcome.
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Re: Toledo Mayor to Marines: Leave downtown
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2008, 01:02:34 PM »
I hope the terrorists DO attack toledo and no Marines spend their monet there. If their presence is not appreciated then the Marines should not soil local businesses with their money. Semper Fi and Ftoledo

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Re: Toledo Mayor to Marines: Leave downtown
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2008, 01:03:13 PM »
Maybe berkley will protect them.

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Re: Toledo Mayor to Marines: Leave downtown
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2008, 01:05:57 PM »
At the bottom of the article is the mayor's email address. I couldn't help myself...
"Breaking a long standing tradition of allowing excercises by the Marines in Toledo, you refused them permission to train. You'd probably be crying like a little girl if you ever needed their help. What SHOULD be a lesson to you, though, is that if you ever did need their help they would be there for you, even though you're an idiot."
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Re: Toledo Mayor to Marines: Leave downtown
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Re: Toledo Mayor to Marines: Leave downtown
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2008, 01:10:20 PM »
Yes Jay I e-mailed him as well

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Re: Toledo Mayor to Marines: Leave downtown
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2008, 01:42:52 PM »
Jaybeth, Tom

The Mayors' e-mail wasn't in the actual article but some how it found its way to my post ;D.
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Re: Toledo Mayor to Marines: Leave downtown
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2008, 02:30:40 PM »
Kipling summed it up well in a poem about British soldiers
"It's Tommy this and Tommy that, and chuck him out,The brute, Buts it's Thin Red line of Hero's when the guns begin to shoot."
It seems like we are defenders of an ungrateful nation, America Remembers? Yeah, when she wants more sacrifices from better men than she deserves.

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Re: Toledo Mayor to Marines: Leave downtown
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2008, 03:47:15 PM »
Who, then, are these citizens of Toledo who are frightened by our own troops? Who among them has forgotten September 11? Don't they know we are ALL at war? Or has Toledo fallen to those who cheered on 9/11? That is a rhetorical question, as I have been there and heard it for myself. They won't attack Toledo, they will stage there. There are areas within our borders that are no longer part of the USA. Power is often abused, and so is the freedom to come here. The tree of Liberty requires nourishment. Perhaps it may be found in Toledo.

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Re: Toledo Mayor to Marines: Leave downtown
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2008, 11:19:35 AM »
Jaybeth, Tom

The Mayors' e-mail wasn't in the actual article but some how it found its way to my post ;D.
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