Government has the right to track you w/o warrant

[fightingquaker13]

That is all well and good, but they never even mention that to install the bug they had to trespass.

That's why it will hit the Court, and why the dissenting judge is right. The test here is a "reasonable expectation of privacy". If you can afford a two car garage, do you have a greater degree of 4A protection than someone who has to park in their apartment buildings parking lot? If so, when did money determine our rights? If not, since when did the cops have to leave a suspect alone since it wouldn't be "fair"? This is what the Court will have to decide.
FQ13

[tombogan03884]

Privacy on a sliding scale ? Based on finances and Architectural choices ?
That would stink


Write in Tom and TT in 2012

[fightingquaker13]

Privacy on a sliding scale ? Based on finances and Architectural choices ?
That would stink


Write in Tom and TT in 2012

The easy way to avoid that is to say you have to get a warrant, the same as for a wire tap. They're practically a rubber stamp anyway, but the cops always whine about saying "Mother may I" and drag out a parade of horribles to avoid having to explain on paper why they think you are a criminal. Screw'em. You want to put on tracer? Fine, just get a judge to sign off on it.
FQ13

[tombogan03884]

My theory is to just assume a "hostile" environment,
Think "Moscow rules", although sweeping you house for bugs might be a bit extreme, having your car and grounds done may not be, the greatest spy threat has always been in the form of "Industrial espionage", because not only nations, but other companies get in the game, and technology is where the money is.

[fightingquaker13]

My theory is to just assume a "hostile" environment,
Think "Moscow rules", although sweeping you house for bugs might be a bit extreme, having your car and grounds done may not be, the greatest spy threat has always been in the form of "Industrial espionage", because not only nations, but other companies get in the game, and technology is where the money is.

And you now know why saunas are so popular in Russia. Its not that they like sitting cheek by jowl  (I'm almost sorry for putting that image out there ) with other sweaty naked men. Its just that you know that no one is wearing a wire and the humidity will screw up any bugs.
FQ13 who isn't even a little paranoid about the government.

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[tombogan03884]

The KGB got samples of some high tech metals by wearing soft soled shoes, that picked up chips from the shop floor.
Paranoia is useful.  

[MikeBjerum]

That is all well and good, but they never even mention that to install the bug they had to trespass.

That was my thought as well. 

Our house is 200 feet back from the road, with a narrow  driveway off the road.  Can't I expect a certain level of privacy?  Or, do I get that from my ar's?

[fightingquaker13]

That was my thought as well.  

Our house is 200 feet back from the road, with a narrow  driveway off the road.  Can't I expect a certain level of privacy?  Or, do I get that from my ar's?

It all depends (though I'd trust the latter more than the courts ).
Seriously. There are three levels of 4A protection according to the Court.
The strongest is your home.
The second strongest is the "curtillege" (the area aroud your home like a FENCED) back yard. Its not as strongly protected as your home, but at least SOME expectation of privacy may apply (eg, the cops can look over the fence, but not enter, without a warrant).
Finally there are "open fields", land you own and may fence, but at some remove from your home. Here? You basically have almost, but not quite, zero expectation of privacy.
The question for you M58 is if they call that big yard curtillege or an open field. We all know the answer, but something as silly as a three foot high fence might make the difference between a search being upheld or thrown out. Me, I advocate a mean ass dog you aren't particularly attached to. Name him "Lawyer". Let the cops negotiate with him. If he gets shot? Well, you got your money's worth.
FQ13

[bulldog75]

That is BS. Your driveway is private property. No warrant then you cannot put devices on peoples vehicles just for suspicion.

[cooptire]

That is BS. Your driveway is private property. No warrant then you cannot put devices on peoples vehicles just for suspicion.

Be that as it may, it is still the way it is. FQ is right and the only reasonable (according to the courts) expectation of privacy is in our own homes. I spend a considerable amount of time telling my wife and kids that the cops are the GOOD guys*, but don't every invite them into our house or car unless I'm there! And no, I'm NOT hiding anything (except maybe dirty dishes in the sink). More like exercising a civil right whenever and wherever I can.



*p.s. My kids don't think the cops are bad and one wants very badly to BE one, which I'm find with. I just want them to KNOW their rights and exercise them.