gun buying legal Q...

[TAB]

Is it legal 4 a non ffl holder to view, then buy a gun for a some one else out of state, if they never take postion and it goes thru a ffl?

example:

I want to buy gun in state XXXX, I have inlaws that live in that state.  Can one of them go inspect the gun, pay for it, then have the guy selling it transfer it to a ffl to then ship it to my ffl.

I know having them buy it, then "selling it" to me is illegal.

[philw]

Are you giving them the $$$ to pay for it as they would be doing it on your behalf.

[Pathfinder]

IMIgnorantO - it is the form that counts, not who pays for it. so if the FFL ships it to another FFL, and the owner actually fills out the form, then where the money crossed hands should not matter.

[TAB]

Should being the key word there... we are talking about the ATF, you know the same group that called a shoe string a machine gun and had it serialized.

What I really need is some one to get thier hands on the gun and check some things.

Its a older sxs, so things like how tight it locks up and are the ribs lose( chime test) are very important.  They are litterly make or break on the deal.  You can't tell those things from pics.


<<< does not trust people to be honest with what they sell.

I've tried doing this in the past, but buying from a FFL, and had a buddy look the gun over and pay for it, the FFL would not do the deal, which is why I asked the q. 

[Pathfinder]

Once your friend/family member looks at it, have him call you in the presence of the seller and give you the OK, then give you the s/n. You then call the seller and arrange the sale. That way you control the whole process and there is no "should".

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[MikeBjerum]

One of the questions on the Brady form, you remember the list that starts with "Yes, then is all no's," is if this gun is for yourself or someone else.  Answer truthfully, and see where it goes.  I would bet that you are going to need all the information on that person so they can run a Brady check on them.

If you lie about that one question this becomes a "straw purchase."

[tombogan03884]

I would have some one on site view the gun, then do the dealings with money orders through an FFL it would be the same as using Gun Broker but your representative has actually SEEN the gun.

[fightingquaker13]

Dittos to that. I mean, if it is an older gun, the seller should understand that you want to see it. Contact him and let him know you are sending a "buyers agent". Let him know you are serious and not jerking him around. Assuming your rep knows what he's doing, ie check the bore, stock (for cracks and oil seepage), the rib, chambers (measure them with a shell if there is any chance it might be 2 1/2" etc ) and brings some snap caps to make sure it fires, it should reassure the guy, given that he's selling something solid. Failing that, ask for a ten day non-firing inspection. Tell him you'll pay shippng both ways plus $20 even if you send it back.
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[usmcdadx2]

What Pathfinder said... I've done it and since the seller was in phone contact with me while my "agent" looked over the gun he didn't seem to have any issue with the sale. Other than having a person involved to inspect the gun and, maybe, hand over the money it isn't really different than any phone or internet sale.

[twyacht]

Your FFL, TAB, upon receipt of the firearm, is going to make YOU fill out 4473, so it will be YOUR firearm.

Whether Zippy the Brother In Law is in another state looking at it and checking it out on your behalf makes no difference. Your FFL will have to FAX the secret FFL codes to the seller's FFL, and you pay for the firearm, and any transfer fee.

Presto!