Author Topic: The Next Episode of Cowboys? The Pardon Hearing for Billy the Kid!  (Read 1460 times)

fightingquaker13

  • Top Forum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 11894
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Folks, I'm not making this up. Bill Richardson has decided to invoke a costumed themed hearing to decide whether to honor the pardon offer Lew Wallace made to Billy the Kid. The Governor will preside. I expect Marshall and MB to be in attendence. ;D
FQ13 who is REALLY not making this up, and is glad we don't have important issues to worry about. Still, I'll be bringing popcorrn! ;D :P
From today's NYT.

Not-So-Charming Billy
By HAMPTON SIDES
Published: September 6, 2010


BILL RICHARDSON, New Mexico’s departing governor, is known for his studied sense of theater. But when he recently declared that he would hold a hearing to consider a posthumous pardon for the state’s most notorious resident — William Bonney, a k a Henry McCarty, a k a Billy the Kid — a lot of us wondered if he had lost his mind.

What’s to be gained by dredging up stories from a tired old shoot’em-up? Why should we care about a trigger-happy sociopath who’s been moldering in his grave for almost 130 years? New Mexico has a rich history, but some episodes from the past are best left there.

At issue is a deal made in 1879 by one of Mr. Richardson’s predecessors, Lew Wallace (later the author of “Ben-Hur”). Wallace promised to grant Billy the Kid amnesty for murders he committed during the so-called Lincoln County War if he would testify about a killing he had witnessed; the Kid testified, but Wallace’s men reneged on the deal. Two years later Pat Garrett, the sheriff of Lincoln County, shot and killed the outlaw.

Billy the Kid is something of a phantom figure. There is only one known photograph of him. His real name and date of birth are disputed. As a result, people interpret him in their own ways. He’s often portrayed as a folk hero, like Rob Roy or Robin Hood. It is said that more films have been made about him than any other figure in American history. He is our state’s most bankable tourist commodity and his name is plastered on everything from casinos to no-tell motels.

But regardless of whether he got a raw deal, the Kid was a thug. He murdered one of Garrett’s predecessors and as many as eight other people. He rustled horses and cattle. Far from heroic, the Lincoln County War was just a feud over beef contracts, and it marked one of the bleakest episodes in the history of the West.

True, for some the story evokes a certain romanticism of gun smoke and leather, and the governor is banking on Western buffs to bring new attention, and tourist dollars, to our state.

The pardon hearing, which will likely convene in November in the town of Lincoln, will be complete with period costumes and Wild West facial hair. Mr. Richardson himself will preside, playing a role somewhere between Judge Judy and Judge Roy Bean.

Mr. Richardson has a good sense of humor, but governors who play with history often get burned — witness Gov. Robert McDonnell of Virginia and his ill-advised Confederate History Month proclamation. Governor Richardson has already drawn public criticism: descendants of Pat Garrett and Lew Wallace have implored him not to follow through with his plans; Billy the Kid, they and others note, was a cop killer.

Under Governor Richardson, New Mexico has taken significant steps forward, with investments in solar and wind power, film production and light rail. He even got rid of cock-fighting. The state has begun to slowly pull away from the poverty, crime and backwardness that defined much of its past. Billy the Kid is a symbol of that era. Why does Mr. Richardson, as one of his last acts in office, want to revisit it?



Big Frank

  • NRA Benefactor Member
  • Top Forum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 11255
  • DRTV Ranger
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 1557
Re: The Next Episode of Cowboys? The Pardon Hearing for Billy the Kid!
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2010, 11:02:19 PM »
I don't think any mass murderer, dead or alive, should be pardoned.
""It may be laid down as a primary position, and the basis of our system, that every Citizen who enjoys the protection of a free Government, owes not only a proportion of his property, but even his personal services to the defence of it, and consequently that the Citizens of America (with a few legal and official exceptions) from 18 to 50 Years of Age should be borne on the Militia Rolls, provided with uniform Arms, and so far accustomed to the use of them, that the Total strength of the Country might be called forth at a Short Notice on any very interesting Emergency." - George Washington. Letter to Alexander Hamilton, Friday, May 02, 1783

THE RIGHT TO BUY WEAPONS IS THE RIGHT TO BE FREE - A. E. van Vogt, The Weapon Shops of Isher

tombogan03884

  • Guest
Re: The Next Episode of Cowboys? The Pardon Hearing for Billy the Kid!
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2010, 01:22:27 AM »
I don't think any mass murderer, dead or alive, should be pardoned.

Don't tell me you buy the revisionist BS

m25operator

  • Top Forum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2628
  • DRTV Ranger
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 0
Re: The Next Episode of Cowboys? The Pardon Hearing for Billy the Kid!
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2010, 01:25:53 AM »
Taking advantage of a Robin Hood type, hero or not, help the state, well that is a gamble, what really happened to bad Billy, there is some contention, is he really buried there??? Did Pat Garrett really do him in? That is part of the charm, not really harmed by the movies, Young  Guns. At face value, dead and buried, and got what he deserved, on the other hand, on the other hand, folk heroes are harder  to come by these days, too many yrs pass white man to pass much judgement.

Good luck to NM, have any of you ever driven through it, some of the most dismal shit you will ever  see, and then the continental divide, some of the most beautiful country you will ever see, NM is an awkward state. As you  come  over hills you can count the brick homes on your fingers, and the rest are Mobile homes, you can see all this from the distance going up and down large hills.

Hell if he gets pardoned, he might show up!!!!!!!!!!!!!





" The Pact, to defend, if not TO AVENGE '  Tarna the Tarachian.

Pathfinder

  • Top Forum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 6450
  • DRTV Ranger -- NRA Life Member
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 86
Re: The Next Episode of Cowboys? The Pardon Hearing for Billy the Kid!
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2010, 04:06:06 AM »
But regardless of whether he got a raw deal, the Kid was a thug. He murdered one of Garrett’s predecessors and as many as eight other people. He rustled horses and cattle. Far from heroic, the Lincoln County War was just a feud over beef contracts, and it marked one of the bleakest episodes in the history of the West.

What complete and utter bullshit. Was the Kid a thug? Maybe, but he was one of many. It was not a war over beef contracts, it was a war of control - complete and total, for Lincoln County between the newcomer Tunstall-McSween faction and the entrenched Murphy-Dolan faction. No one has ever proven that the Kid rustled cattle or horses - I'm not even sure he was ever even accused of that.

The Murphy-Dolan faction actually started the Lincoln County War (Billy was on the other side BTW) by killing Tunstall in cold blood. Billy was complicit in killing Sheriff Brady in retaliation for the death of Tunstall (the killing was carried out by some of Brady's deputies). Brady was a bought man, firmly in bed with the Murphy-Dolan faction - as was the local Army troop.

The Kid did kill 2 Sheriff's deputies, Bell and Ollanger - that much is well known and documented, and for those killings he should have no pardon.
"I won't be wronged, I won't be insulted, I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do this to others and I require the same from them"

J.B. Books

Sponsor

  • Guest

Solus

  • Top Forum Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8666
  • DRTV Ranger
  • Liked:
  • Likes Given: 43
Re: The Next Episode of Cowboys? The Pardon Hearing for Billy the Kid!
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2010, 08:19:41 AM »
I don't think this is intended to honor Billy The Kid or anyone.  Nor is it intended to dishonor anyone.

Rather I think it is intended to become a commercial event, much like The Gasparilla Pirate Festival in Tampa.

Jose Gaspar, the “last of the buccaneers”, was a pirate attacking merchant ships for many years.

http://www.josegaspar.net/AboutJose.htm

The festival, while it has his name, is not to  honor him but just to have a Festival with a Pirate theme.

http://www.gasparillapiratefest.com/
Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"
—Patrick Henry

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters."
— Daniel Webster

tombogan03884

  • Guest
Re: The Next Episode of Cowboys? The Pardon Hearing for Billy the Kid!
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2010, 11:24:03 AM »
Billy was no more a "Mass murderer" than any other Veteran, and the fact that he shot sworn "Cops", doesn't mean much either.
Do not judge his actions by today's standards. Why did Cave men invent fire ? Why didn't they just nuke their dinoburgers ?
There is no reason to pardon him now though, The fact that he got screwed has been common knowledge for 100 years or so, and he gained far more fame as an "outlaw" than he ever would have in some obscure court decision.
Richardson is basically trying to cash in on history.

 

SMF spam blocked by CleanTalk