Jury duty! Again!

[billt]

Bill, your argument falls short. Way short, because I'm one of those people who, if I missa day of work, has to choose between rent and groceries.The most important votes a citizen gets, are, Grand Jury, Jury, and election primary, if you neglect your duty in these area's you deserve the results.

Supporting a bad system by submission to it will never change anything. If enough people refused to submit to this archaic, outdated nonsense, along with it's arrogant, sarcastic employees, they would change things around for the better in a heartbeat. But as long as the mule will plow, the teamster will beat it. I'll take the "results" I'm currently receiving by refusing to submit to their foolish lunacy. Money in the bank is the most important thing in being self reliant. If you want to lose 8 weeks of work sitting on a Grand Jury to prove some abstract civic point, be my guest. I have better things to do with my time and money. The system hasn't worked in years. Continuing to support will only make things continue to become worse, not better. What you're doing is the equivalent of voting for a third party candidate to, "make a statement". A total waste of time, effort, gas, and money.  Bill T.

[fightingquaker13]

What's your plan Bill? Short of either doing away with juries, or paying folks a premium wage so they volunteer (both of which seem like bad ideas for obvious reasons), I don't see much alternative. If you have one, I'm all ears.
FQ13

[billt]

It's no different than running any business. If you want to succeed you must be competitive. You cannot expect citizens to forfeit a $25.00+ hour wage plus overtime, to come and sit and scratch their a$$ for $5.00 a day or some such nonsense. They simply are not going to do it. I give myself as exhibit A. Does this mean our courts are going to become more expensive to run. You bet. Welcome to the wonderful world of business coupled with inflation. The private sector has been dealing with it for years, and succeeding I might add. Time for the government to get off it's a$$ and accomplish what the private sector has done for eons. I give you UPS and Fed Ex, vs. The United States Postal Service. These people are going to have to produce faster as well. No business ever succeeded by having people get paid to sit and do nothing. That is what the jury pool has done for decades. Having people sit around cheaply is no more of a bargain that if they do it for $25.00 and hour. Either way nothing gets done.  Bill T.

[jaybet]

Bill,
The only trouble with that whole "efficiency" scenario is the fact that the whole damn thing is lousy with lawyers. They get paid to NOT get things done.

[fightingquaker13]

Ok. Are you sugessting paying drafted juror's $25 an hour,or just offering it to who ever shows up as a volunteer? Because in the latter case you might get some good unemployed folks, or you might attract winos off the street corner.
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[Sponsor]

[crusader rabbit]

Excuse #1...

Of course they're guilty.  They got arrested, didn't they?  Cops don't arrest innocent people!

Excuse #2...

When we vote for the death penalty, I wanna put the needle in his arm.

Excuse #3...

I have to vote whatever way the voices tell me to vote.

Excuse #4...

I'm on a special diet of sauerkraut and pinto beans.


#4 ALWAYS works.

[billt]

Look, you could fill jury boxes with all of the people in this country alone who are sitting on their a$$ collecting Welfare, Unemployment benefits, etc. With the economy and unemployment rate what it is today, they don't need to screw with the people who actually have jobs and are in fact productive. The best unemployment rate during GOOD TIMES is right around 4 1/2%. That alone would fill every jury box in the country. Bottom line is these people have enough "stock" to pick from based on what's already out there doing nothing. All they have to do is link their computers to a single data base to find them. But no, they just keep on keepin' on, doing what they do best, running as inefficiently as humanly possible. Christ, a high school business 101 class could do better!  Bill T.

[PegLeg45]

Look, you could fill jury boxes with all of the people in this country alone who are sitting on their a$$ collecting Welfare, Unemployment benefits, etc. With the economy and unemployment rate what it is today, they don't need to screw with the people who actually have jobs and are in fact productive. The best unemployment rate during GOOD TIMES is right around 4 1/2%. That alone would fill every jury box in the country. Bottom line is these people have enough "stock" to pick from based on what's already out there doing nothing. All they have to do is link their computers to a single data base to find them. But no, they just keep on keepin' on, doing what they do best, running as inefficiently as humanly possible. Christ, a high school business 101 class could do better!  Bill T.

And the fact that the jury is supposed to be made up of "peers", you might be on to something, Bill.  

But then again, if I have to kill someone in SD, and for some reason an overzealous DA sends it to a jury, I don't know if I want a box full of derelict crackheads on welfare making my life decision......  

[fightingquaker13]

Uh, just a for instance Bill. I'm a poor latino kid. You shoot me on the street, saying you were threatened because I had a knife and tried to rob you.  I say you called me a dirty spic and I only drew my knife because you were talking crazy.You are a rich white guy with a gun fetish who is anti-immigrant (according to ADA Lopez). Do you really want an Arizona jury made up of folks on welfare? Just sayin'.
FQ13

[billt]

Bill,
The only trouble with that whole "efficiency" scenario is the fact that the whole damn thing is lousy with lawyers. They get paid to NOT get things done.

I won't argue lawyers ranking at the bottom of the food chain. But, with that said they are not the issue here. Once the cases finally make it into court with a jury and lawyers attached, things move along. Grant you I would love to have the job of kicking the lawyers square in the a$$ each and every time they stall, but at least they cannot be blamed on the whole jury selection process, as much as I would like them to be. This is simply government inefficiency at it's finest. YET AGAIN! About the only thing that is more inefficient are the DMV's across this country. Where else can you literally spend $ BILLIONS on computer systems, only to wait 3 hours to get a simple driver license renewed?    Bill T.