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Coming To A Vehicle Near You, Maybe Even Yours.
« on: October 08, 2010, 07:34:17 PM »
Still think the Bush wiretapping plan was bad?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39583860/ns/technology_and_science-security/?GT1=43001

FBI busted tracking student, demands GPS spy gear return

After Web uproar, feds reclaimed magnetic tracker found under car

Several days ago a 20-year-old student discovered a GPS tracking device hidden on his car. After his friend posted a picture of it online, speculating about its ties to a secret FBI investigation, the feds themselves came a-knockin', according to Wired.com. They wanted their toy back.

Based on the discussion with the six FBI agents who arrived at his doorstep, Yassir Afifi believes he'd been under surveillance for three to six months. When Wired asked an FBI spokesman about the case, he did not acknowledge ownership of the device, but said that there was an "ongoing investigation."

Afifi says that he cooperated with the FBI and, according to Wired, "did nothing to merit attention from authorities." He is a U.S. citizen who lives in Santa Clara, Calif., where he attends Mission College.


Afifi's father, an Islamic-American activist, died a year ago in Egypt. It is not clear what the circumstances of his death were, or if this was the reason for the FBI's investigation of Afifi.

The gadget itself — a GPS receiver identified as a police-issue-only Cobham Orion Guardian ST820 tracking system, connected to a battery pack and radio transmitter — was magnetically attached to the car.
A shot of it made its way around the blogosphere on Monday, after appearing on the community news site Reddit. After Afifi spotted an antenna sticking out during an oil change, the garage owner offered to yank it out. It apparently popped off quite easily.

The question of whether or not sticking a GPS on a car is legal is actually in the middle of a hot debate right now. One federal court recently said that it was legal, while another said that tracking for an "extended period of time" would in fact require a warrant. (For more on this, here's a great piece in Time written by lawyer and tech journalist Adam Cohen.)

Legality aside, the tactic itself might have been carried out with something less than precision. Simply put, tracking devices shouldn't be so easy to find. Wired talked to an agent who said that not only is the tracking device out of date, but state-of-the-art snoops hardwire the stuff directly to the car's electrical system, avoiding the need for a battery.

What's impressive is how quickly Afifi got an identification of the gadget by crowdsourcing it on the Web. On the flipside, that kind of exposure isn't good PR for the FBI. Surely the revelation of the magnetic tracker will cause many people to check under their own cars. Like many noble efforts to keep us safe from terrorism, this one may be turning out to not be so effective. After all, those who already know they're involved in illegal activity probably check their cars every day, rain or shine.

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Re: Coming To A Vehicle Near You, Maybe Even Yours.
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2010, 07:42:27 PM »
What country am I in?

OCEANA 1984?

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Re: Coming To A Vehicle Near You, Maybe Even Yours.
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2010, 07:59:21 PM »
Why yes, Very Special FBI Agent, I'd be happy to return your tracking device.  But you know, we get so many people trying to claim things that aren't theirs, I'm going to have to ask you a few questions.

Can you give me a physical description of the device?
Color and Size?
Is there a serial number?
Do you have a receipt showing you purchased this device?
When did you first notice it missing?
Did you report it to the authorities?
Can I have a copy of that report?

Oh very well, all seems to be in order.

Now if you'll just sign this release form and let me get a right index finger print.  Oh and I need two forms of picture ID and your Social Security number.
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Re: Coming To A Vehicle Near You, Maybe Even Yours.
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2010, 08:06:53 PM »
Had I found one it may have had a odd encounter with a microwave oven...

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Re: Coming To A Vehicle Near You, Maybe Even Yours.
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2010, 08:16:05 PM »
I would stick it on my neighbors car, He needs watching.
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Re: Coming To A Vehicle Near You, Maybe Even Yours.
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Re: Coming To A Vehicle Near You, Maybe Even Yours.
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2010, 08:37:50 PM »
What the... there's one of these on my AR!
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Re: Coming To A Vehicle Near You, Maybe Even Yours.
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2010, 08:54:39 PM »
I'd have to think long and hard about whos car I'd put that on.
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Re: Coming To A Vehicle Near You, Maybe Even Yours.
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2010, 09:10:33 PM »
I'd have put it on the first car I saw with New York plates.
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Re: Coming To A Vehicle Near You, Maybe Even Yours.
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2010, 09:20:44 PM »
I'd have put it on the first car I saw with New York plates.


Hey, Just because  it has ny plates don't make em a bad person
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Re: Coming To A Vehicle Near You, Maybe Even Yours.
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2010, 02:48:56 AM »
Put it on a long haul truck!
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