It's Official, Bridgeport, Connecticut Is A Dismal Town

[PegLeg45]

Survival needs / trade goods....

Guns / ammo

Alcohol

gold

(not in any particular order)

Might be on to something, Haz. 
Stock up on food, guns, ammo, and stuff to make moonshine. Lay in corn and sugar in barrels. Even when the SHTF, people will want/need alcohol. Might make a great barter good.

People do love their liquor.

[Badgersmilk]

I can see billt's future (small government, with much more limited control) easily becoming reality.  If we're very lucky!

The only other options I see being a total communist state.  

Or a total breakdown of society.  I'm not buying that people today have enough intelligence and respect for each other, life, whatever, to not just kill on site without threat of punishment stopping them from it.  

Imagin this.  Joe Blow has lots of food stocked up that he stole from a grocery store (where else do you think he got it?  Really???).  You trade him a gun and ammunition he couldn't find for a bunch of food...  Now Joe Blow is just going to say.  "Thanks buddy." and walk away with loaded gun all happy?     I'm not buying it.  NOBODY is going to survive THIS long term (dream all you want).  

Sure hope Bill is right!  Hmmmmm, my pesimism / realism makes me think though...

[JC5123]

I can see billt's future (small government, with much more limited control) easily becoming reality.  If we're very lucky!

The only other options I see being a total communist state.   

Or a total breakdown of society.  I'm not buying that people today have enough intelligence and respect for each other, life, whatever, to not just kill on site without threat of punishment stopping them from it. 

Imagin this.  Joe Blow has lots of food stocked up that he stole from a grocery store (where else do you think he got it?  Really???).  You trade him a gun and ammunition he couldn't find for a bunch of food...  Now Joe Blow is just going to say.  "Thanks buddy." and walk away with loaded gun all happy?     I'm not buying it.  NOBODY is going to survive THIS long term (dream all you want).   

Sure hope Bill is right!  Hmmmmm, my pesimism / realism make me think though...

I see what you are getting at, BUT like a discussion that we had awhile back about someone picking off rural houses. You assume that all of these dealings will be one on one, and that everyone will be out to "get" everyone else. I see the need for prudence, but get real, no one wants to try to weather that kind of storm alone. People WILL band together. It's simple human nature. I know that if I'm trading with you I'll be covered from angles you haven't even considered.

[Badgersmilk]

I see what you are getting at, BUT like a discussion that we had awhile back about someone picking off rural houses. You assume that all of these dealings will be one on one, and that everyone will be out to "get" everyone else. I see the need for prudence, but get real, no one wants to try to weather that kind of storm alone. People WILL band together. It's simple human nature. I know that if I'm trading with you I'll be covered from angles you haven't even considered.

All I'll say is I think your underestimating "Joe"... 

Times would be harder than we can even imagin.  Few, and I mean one in hundreds of thousands would survive is my guess.

Though playing out ambush / sniping scenario's IS fun!!!   

I'm all for it!   

[JC5123]

I think that your numbers would be correct in larger cities. The major urban centers will be complete anarchy. I guess I have a different perspective where I live. I know my neighbors, and actually like them. We are always stopping and talking with each other. Most of us hunt and fish. We almost universally love the outdoors. Basically we have a lot in common. It is my belief that, at least in my neighborhood, we would be able to put aside any differences and band together for the common good. Besides, almost all of us have families to worry about and I just don't see us engaging in block warfare, unless it's to repel the zombies.

[Sponsor]

[billt]

During the Great Depression people helped one and other. Today I'm not so sure, especially as was mentioned in the larger inner cities. In the 80's you had women punching each other out over Cabbage Patch Dolls and Gloria Vanderbilt Jeans. Today they riot in front of Best Buy waiting for a chance to buy an X-Box. I can't imagine what some of these idiot's would do if they were hungry and cold! It will get ugly, that's for sure. For God's sake, these bimbos rioted at a chance to be the next "Top Model"!   Bill T.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GiVpusFWv0

[JC5123]

During the Great Depression people helped one and other. Today I'm not so sure, especially as was mentioned in the larger inner cities. In the 80's you had women punching each other out over Cabbage Patch Dolls and Gloria Vanderbilt Jeans. Today they riot in front of Best Buy waiting for a chance to buy an X-Box. I can't imagine what some of these idiot's would do if they were hungry and cold! It will get ugly, that's for sure. For God's sake, these bimbos rioted at a chance to be the next "Top Model"!   Bill T.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GiVpusFWv0

Good point. "walk softly and carry a large caliber?"

[twyacht]

Awesome, 3 pages of absolute professional caliber thread drift. 

Gold will always have value, however, based on what? A collapsed dollar will reset the value like the housing market.

Bartering ammo, dry goods, food, bldg. materials, etc,... will always have value to someone that can use it.

Trade my mule for your roofing shingles....Who needs it more.? The helping out each other, will be a minority, due to a "me first" cultural shift, but it will not happen in the cities, (like Bridgeport), due to the thugs, gangs, and criminal elements that will continue to disintegrate urban areas.

Like the moonshine theory. 

Don't forget about coffee. 

Based on what I've seen it will be like Ft. Apache (The Bronx), for those in urban areas. Getting to a secure state, zone, region, will be the reset button. It damn sure won't be the "easy button".....

OBTW, the owner of the M/Y Cakewalk, is a plastic tycoon, and an American, plastic bottles? Yes... his companies make about every one. Soda, shampoo, water, ketchup, mustard, whatever comes in a plastic container probably has one of his companies that make it.

The approx. cost for the boat, and toys is coming in around $275,000,000 bucks.

God Bless American Businessmen. Lots of folks are thankful for his endeavor.

Including me... Who will be getting the FAL very soon.....

and I thought "sporks" were just silly....

[cookie62]

During the Great Depression people helped one and other. Today I'm not so sure, especially as was mentioned in the larger inner cities. In the 80's you had women punching each other out over Cabbage Patch Dolls and Gloria Vanderbilt Jeans. Today they riot in front of Best Buy waiting for a chance to buy an X-Box. I can't imagine what some of these idiot's would do if they were hungry and cold! It will get ugly, that's for sure. For God's sake, these bimbos rioted at a chance to be the next "Top Model"!   Bill T.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GiVpusFWv0

I think your thought are correct on cities and larger urban areas, but in rural areas there will be more people working together to get through whatever the situation is. large groups working together, sharing resources,and services. They will weed out the bad, police themselves, and protect those that are weak but provide important services(IE doctors, chemists).


P.s. Lawyers and politicians will be shat on site

[McGyver]

Awesome, 3 pages of absolute professional caliber thread drift. 

Gold will always have value, however, based on what? A collapsed dollar will reset the value like the housing market.

Bartering ammo, dry goods, food, bldg. materials, etc,... will always have value to someone that can use it.

Trade my mule for your roofing shingles....Who needs it more.? The helping out each other, will be a minority, due to a "me first" cultural shift, but it will not happen in the cities, (like Bridgeport), due to the thugs, gangs, and criminal elements that will continue to disintegrate urban areas.

Like the moonshine theory. 

Don't forget about coffee. 

Based on what I've seen it will be like Ft. Apache (The Bronx), for those in urban areas. Getting to a secure state, zone, region, will be the reset button. It damn sure won't be the "easy button".....

OBTW, the owner of the M/Y Cakewalk, is a plastic tycoon, and an American, plastic bottles? Yes... his companies make about every one. Soda, shampoo, water, ketchup, mustard, whatever comes in a plastic container probably has one of his companies that make it.

The approx. cost for the boat, and toys is coming in around $275,000,000 bucks.

God Bless American Businessmen. Lots of folks are thankful for his endeavor.

Including me... Who will be getting the FAL very soon.....

and I thought "sporks" were just silly....

Good on ya, bro! Congrats on the FAL. And just think where we'd be without "sporks!"