Conspiracy Theory With Jesse Ventura..Plum Island

[fullautovalmet76]

So are you saying we should not be doing research on WMD that can be manufactured in my kitchen with nothing more than some chicken soup and a whiskey flask ? Sarin comes from the mold on Rye, should we not research Nerve agents because "only bad people do that"?
Next question is where the hell do you suggest doing the research if an island off the coast isn't good enough ?
The country would be a lot better place if The government had done a few more things that the weeny "nice" people think is wrong, machine gunning anti war rioters and Civil rights marchers would have been a good start. All that bullshit about "Life is so precious" means many people frown on murder, but whats wrong with popping the Iranian azzhole or Kim Jong Il  ( I can spell that one   ) or Hugo Chavez.

Only a fool credits "Conspiracy"over incompetence, and greed.
There are indeed conspiracies in the world, George Soros money is often behind them.

I'm not saying any of what you wrote above. I'll put it in a clear, concise way that you and everyone will understand: contrary to what you want to believe, our sh!t, does stink just like other countries, Tom. We have our share of atrocities just like Germany, Britain, France, Russia, China, etc. So it is not inconceivable to me that our government could be doing things that we might not want them to do though those in power are supposedly doing all of this to keep us "safe." What do you think Eisenhower was talking about when he warned about the military-industrial complex in his farewell speech in 1961? Do you think he was one of those "tin foil" conspiracy theorists too?

[fullautovalmet76]

I think the next episode should be explaining how half the cast of a cheesy Sci-fi movie wound up as governors. "The Predator Connection", "What sort of cabal elevated two B movie stars to the pinnacles of power"?
FQ13

And how one of those B-movie actors became president! What a joke! We all know how that all turned out, right?

[tombogan03884]

Those "atrocities " you speak of, such as exterminating as many Indians as possible, and relocating the Japs during WWII were, just like in Nazi Germany, carried out with the full knowledge and approval of the American people.
Actually Ike was talking about Vietnam, another war the Dems got us into then protested.

I suppose you are another of those that think the CIA was some sort of monster during the 60's with the attempts to kill Castro ?

[fullautovalmet76]

Actually Ike was talking about Vietnam, another war the Dems got us into then protested.

I suppose you are another of those that think the CIA was some sort of monster during the 60's with the attempts to kill Castro ?

Tom,
Eisenhower was not "just talking about Vietnam." He was getting at a change in philosophy from within government that he found very troubling.

Talking about Castro: I know someone who worked for the "company" during that period of time and they swear we set him up and when he didn't want to go along with us we tried to kill him. I do find it interesting that we would wage a war half way around the world against communism when we would not commit one American soldier to throw Castro out, who is only 90 miles from Key West....

This is now getting boring, Tom. You need to get on the ball because I'm kicking your ass all over the place tonight! 

[Teresa Heilevang]

Tom,
Eisenhower was not "just talking about Vietnam." He was getting at a change in philosophy from within government that he found very troubling.

Talking about Castro: I know someone who worked for the "company" during that period of time and they swear we set him up and when he didn't want to go along with us we tried to kill him. I do find it interesting that we would wage a war half way around the world against communism when we would not commit one American soldier to throw Castro out, who is only 90 miles from Key West....

This is now getting boring, Tom. You need to get on the ball because I'm kicking your ass all over the place tonight! 

I'm not ready to get in the ring with anyone and go to blows.. but I agree...Thanks FA.. I wanted to say some of that a few days ago ( not that detailed ..as I'm not that informed).. but I'm sometimes labeled because I DO believe a whole hell of a lot about our so called Gov. than what  is shown on the outside.  The corruption and inside jobs are so rampant that if we knew even 1/4 of it , we wouldn't be able to hold our heads up. Our Government has no loyalty to the United States citizens or to anyone.. Its all about power and greed....and control. 

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[tombogan03884]

I'm not ready to get in the ring with anyone and go to blows.. but I agree...Thanks FA.. I wanted to say some of that a few days ago ( not that detailed ..as I'm not that informed).. but I'm sometimes labeled because I DO believe a whole hell of a lot about our so called Gov. than what  is shown on the outside.  The corruption and inside jobs are so rampant that if we knew even 1/4 of it , we wouldn't be able to hold our heads up. Our Government has no loyalty to the United States citizens or to anyone.. Its all about power and greed....and control.  

I posted a reply earlier, but I must have hit a wrong button since it is not here.  

Basicly all that stuff was done on dirct orders of the President, in fact, the person in overall charge of the effort to "get" Castro was then Attorney General Robert F Kennedy.
The suggestion to contact the Mafia came directly from the Kennedy brothers along with the suggestion of Howard Hughes security chief, Robert Mahue as the go between.  (pretty sure I spelled his name wrong so I went with the phonetic version )

I'm not ready to get in the ring with anyone and go to blows.. but I agree...Thanks FA.. I wanted to say some of that a few days ago ( not that detailed ..as I'm not that informed).. but I'm sometimes labeled because I DO believe a whole hell of a lot about our so called Gov. than what  is shown on the outside.  The corruption and inside jobs are so rampant that if we knew even 1/4 of it , we wouldn't be able to hold our heads up. Our Government has no loyalty to the United States citizens or to anyone.. Its all about power and greed....and control.  

M'ette, While this is true now, it was considerably less true up to the end of the Cold War.
If you or most other citizens knew the truth of what has been happening in the world for the last 100 years or so, you would be afraid to step out your door.
I don't mean that as any type of slam, none of us has any clue what is currently happening in the world.
Even serious news junkies only see the surface when it is occurring. Heck, even the people actually involved only know their own little unrelated pieces.
No one really knows the true story until the memoirs and histories are published, and then you have to read and compare several different accounts of the same incident in order to have an idea of what was really happening.

As an example, for decades many people said, "Oh, the Soviet's would never invade the US, they are "peace loving ".
Then why have several caches of Soviet  Comm gear,weapons and explosives been found, not only in Europe, but in several locations here, mostly in Alaska, but some in other area's as well.  (If you locate one of these sights DO NOT TOUCH IT. they were booby trapped and after so many years the devices are extremely dangerous, the one found by Swiss police went off while they were excavating it.  )

[Teresa Heilevang]

I realize that Tom.. I wasn't taking sides or being mean.. It is just that I really HAVE been jumped on pretty hard by others outside of DR when I talk of some of the things I believe.. Does it make me Un-American? Not in my opinion.. I just don't believe ANYTHING anymore at all if the Gov has anything to do with it.. I have become suspecious and untrusting to the max..
 And about 9-11? I STILL believe what I believe and no one anywhere will ever change my mind.. I'm not an idiot and no one can feed me shit and tell me its sugar..
so..................sorry if you thought I was snippy.. it was just nice to have someone actually not phhoo-phaw Conspiracys. who didn't try to come up with a "logical explanation"..when there isn't any except what is in front of your eyes.,

Before I get off my soapbox.. like the government feeding people the BS about no UFO 's or alien abductions.. Bull shit.. I have seen it with my own eyes..

I really feel myself getting warmed up .. so I am going to put a lid on it and not bore you with my rantings anymore for the night.. LOL
 

[tombogan03884]

Additional information is always needed to sort the wheat from the chaff.

As another example "everyone knows" that the Rosenberg's, (Julius and Ethel, Atom bomb spies ) were innocent, and Joe McCarthy was a monster who drove poor oppressed "progressives to suicide with his witch hunt.

Fact : Julius Rosenberg's KGB codename was "Liberal", they were guilty as can be.
McCarthy was called a lunatic for  claiming there were 50 some odd known communists working in the US Government, he later increased this number to over 100.
The truth of the matter is that McCarthy simply wanted to know, Why were know enemy sympathizers in sensitive government positions at the height of the cold war. The only person involved who committed suicide was one of McCarthy's witness's who jumped from a window after the Dems outed him as a homosexual.
At the same time, according to released KGB files the actual number of code named Soviet agents was just over 300, and included names such as Harry Dexter White, and Laughlin Curry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Dexter_White

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/FBI_Memorandum_identifying_Harry_Dexter_White_as_agent_Jurist

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauchlin_Currie

[fightingquaker13]

I think you both need to chill and realize you aren't as far apart as you think. Conspiracy is a big word and its been cheapened by overuse.
Macarthy? Maybe he did have a point. Doesn't change the fact that he was a self seeking rabble rouser. He wasn't interested in the truth, but in his own carreer and was willing to create a climate of fear to advance it, because hey, what's a good witch hunt among friends? So, no it wasn't a conspiracy with no basis. And yes, Joe did more damage to the Constitution than the commies he outed. Both of these things are true at the same time.
Same is true of a lot of other stuff. There's classified as in "We don't want the Chinese to know", then there's classified as in "Whoops, thats embarrasing, lets cover it up". When the two get confused, folks get cynical. Not Catholic bashing, but they are the perfect example. Rather than admit they had a problem with some pedophile priests, they try to sweep it under the rug, and when that comes to light, every one looks funny at someone wearing a collar.
Lots of shady stuff gets classified as CYA. Then the government tries to suppress it, because, "Hey, its classified". Next thing you know, we're on the grassy knoll. Its important for two things to happen.
First, the government (like the Catholic Church) needs to remember that sometimes its best to just let the dirty laundry air, rather than hiding it.
Second, that folks need to realize that real conspiracies are scarce on the ground, not because the government is all sweetness and light, but just because its takes a whole lot of competance to pull one off. Not that I think M'lette and FA are wrong, they do happen, just that they are far more rare than the Alex Jones set thinks they are.
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[crusader rabbit]

Not trying to stir the puddin' and not trying to be disagreeable with anyone, but I think the biggest problem with most conspiracy theories is the simple truth that people don't keep secrets very well.  In most cases, the number of folk needed to construct a decent conspiracy means that at least some of them will blab.  It's just human nature.  We talk.  The only way to keep a secret is to be the only one who knows it--and then to keep your trap shut.  That just doesn't happen with conspiracies.

Echoing FQ's thought:  When you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras.