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tombogan03884

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Re: Back Up Power For Going "Off Grid" ?
« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2010, 02:04:08 AM »
Two questions, Why not go solar since you are in the perfect place for it, or wind mill, which will be a heck of a lot less noisy than the generator, and you don't have to wait for a disaster to start getting your money back ?

Second, Are you sure the Pool pump is a major priority ?

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Re: Back Up Power For Going "Off Grid" ?
« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2010, 02:15:37 AM »
Two questions, Why not go solar since you are in the perfect place for it, or wind mill, which will be a heck of a lot less noisy than the generator, and you don't have to wait for a disaster to start getting your money back ?

Second, Are you sure the Pool pump is a major priority ?
Dude? Have you seen his wife? Of course the pool is a priority! ;D
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Re: Back Up Power For Going "Off Grid" ?
« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2010, 02:21:31 AM »
I don't get the connection, he can drown one in unfiltered pool water just as easy, though I can't imagine why Bill would want to do that.  ???

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Re: Back Up Power For Going "Off Grid" ?
« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2010, 02:28:05 AM »
Uhh.....I was more referring to the very attractive wife wanting to spend some quality pool time, which every one appreciates. As to your comments, well...I'll say to you what I said to Phil. I have no doubt that if Billt opens his gun safe, he can find something for you. If he holds his mouth just right, and the wind is slack, he can probably cap your ass all the way from Arizona to New Hampshire. ;D
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Re: Back Up Power For Going "Off Grid" ?
« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2010, 02:41:53 AM »
This ain't Oz, I shoot back  ;D

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Re: Back Up Power For Going "Off Grid" ?
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Re: Back Up Power For Going "Off Grid" ?
« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2010, 08:46:51 AM »
More great info here.

I have a couple of questions.

For a "Seamless" transfer, batteries would be required?

The second link to the big NG generater seemed to indicate it was seamless.

Also, even though I hate to reset clocks, there is not much in a home that needs to be seamless?

I'm thinking of computer equipment and maybe some medical devices that might be in use.

Would it be a wiser choice to manage those that you need to be seamless by using a standard UPS like many of us may use for our computer gear already?

The prices for those 20KW generators seem reasonable and even with taxes, shipping, installation and what all, the price is going to be around $7000 or so....  Won't take a major win at the lottery for that.

Multi-fuel would be a great option if, like the generator posted that started the thread, changing from one to another required only setting a switch. 

Solar is still an expensive way to get power but I've read of a solar panel that is being developed that increases output, is transparent and could be used where windows are used to expand the area able to be dedicated to solar collection.  Transparent has me wondering because it seems there must be some light energy lost to the power collection. 

Solar still won't provide the direct power to run a 20KW load but would be able to charge the batteries needed to provide much of that service but all those batteries are another headache.  An alternative function for solar power might be to run an electrolysis setup to generate O2 and hydrogen to later be used as fuel to your multi-fuel generator.  Less overhead and perhaps more flexibility in this type of energy storage over batteries.



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Re: Back Up Power For Going "Off Grid" ?
« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2010, 09:30:17 AM »
Two questions, Why not go solar since you are in the perfect place for it, or wind mill, which will be a heck of a lot less noisy than the generator, and you don't have to wait for a disaster to start getting your money back ?

Second, Are you sure the Pool pump is a major priority ?

The problem with those you have mentioned are these. First, solar is expensive, produces minimum power even here in Arizona when compared to the cost. Another is hail. I've been lucky and have never had any hail damage in almost 20 years in Arizona. With that said just last week a co-worker had his brand new Ford Mustang GT all but destroyed when he got caught in bumper to bumper traffic in one of the worst storms Phoenix has seen in a while. Result, over $15,000.00 in damage to a car with under 8,000 miles, and not a scratch on it. One storm like that, and kiss all of your solar panels good bye. And most insurance will not cover that kind of damage to that kind of equipment. Besides, even with government rebates most of that stuff craps out before you recoup any savings. The technology just isn't there yet, and the systems are overly complex for what they provide.

Wind is too infrequent here to be of any value to a residential system. Not to mention I live in a HOA that won't allow any structures built that neighbors can see over the height of your back wall, (6 feet). Also with either wind or solar you've got to deal with a ton of expensive batteries. Nowhere to put them, and again expensive and don't last, especially in Arizona's 115+ degree Summers. I have yet to get more than 2 Summers out of a car battery here.

Running a pool pump is a must, especially in the Summer. Our pool water can get up to 95 degrees during the hot Summer months. In addition to using large amounts of Chlorine, circulation is a MUST. Without it green Algae can form in a matter of hours because without circulation to move and mix the Chlorine it won't get into all of the water evenly. I had a friend who has 2 girls. One Sunday they had a pool party and by late afternoon his pool was getting quite cloudy. (A sure sign of low Chlorine content.) He was tired and didn't feel like going and getting pool shock to deal with it. When he got up the next morning his whole pool was green! That's how fast it can grow if conditions are right.

I keep my Chlorine level high enough to pickle fish because I have bad ears, and cannot afford an ear infection, and I don't want the hassle and expense of dealing with an Algae infestation. But the answer is yes, it is very important to run your pool pump at least 4 to 6 hours a day in the Summer, less in the Winter when water temps are far lower.   Bill T.

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Re: Back Up Power For Going "Off Grid" ?
« Reply #27 on: October 20, 2010, 10:50:29 AM »
This ain't Oz, I shoot back  ;D

Only some dont shoot back.  ;)
I have locked and loaded on a few occasions in the past and not opposed to doing so when needed.
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Re: Back Up Power For Going "Off Grid" ?
« Reply #28 on: October 20, 2010, 11:43:25 AM »
Only some dont shoot back.  ;)
I have locked and loaded on a few occasions in the past and not opposed to doing so when needed.
Old saying rather be judged by 12 of my peers than carried out by 6 of my mates.

Glad to see the spirit of Botany Bay is still alive  ;D

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Re: Back Up Power For Going "Off Grid" ?
« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2010, 07:16:49 PM »
Glad to see the spirit of Botany Bay is still alive  ;D

Not Botany they where all "piss and wind" poms

More like the spirit of Eureka
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