hell the USMC has been doing this for years

[rat31465]

The way that I view this issue is it is another one of many smaller erosion of what is right and decent in this Country/world.
We live in such a litigious society, where everyone is so damned concerned about being Politically correct...and god forbid you might hurt someones feelings.
I have no problem with those who have chosen a gay lifestyle...but that sure as hell doesn't mean that I want to see it or be exposed to it on a daily basis.
As consenting adults if you decide you wish to have a love affair with a shaved goat...hey...Knock yourself out.
Just do it behind closed doors and don't subject me or my family to your perversions...In other words keep it to yourself.
Gays openly serving will only weaken our military and will hurt recruitments in the future....Gessh whats next?  Are we going to be flying a pink banner in battle.

[Solus]

Is TAB really Red?

[usmcdadx2]

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I'm sure I'm going to offend someone but hey I do that alot. I can give you the perspective of a couple of the current crop of Marines. We've raised them to be respectful but think for themselves, speak their mind and "too damn bad if you can't handle an alternate point of view".

Both of them are of the opinion that they don't give a rat's ass what you like in the sex department as long as you are doing your job and respecting your people. According to them this is a much debated/discussed issue among both the grunts and the pogs. They say that most of the service people they know agree with them. My oldest says that his unit lost a highly respected, very talented, squared away NCO because some "bible spouting cracker(his words)" reported to higher command that she was gay. When command investigated the complaint she refused to lie about her orientation and was discharged. As far as he is concerned the Marine that clearly demonstrated the values of honor and integity was the "flithy queer" not the self proclaimed "christian". Both boys say that the radical "my god, my morals, by my interpertaion ONLY" crowd do more damage to unit cohesion than any gay service person could ever do. To qoute the younger of the two; "If a queer is crossing the line he stops when you tell him his attention is not welcome. When the "preachers" start up they get louder and nasty if you tell them you are not interested in their "annointed" version of christianity". Radical fundamentalist's; doesn't matter if they are "serving" God or Allah, always create more friction and hate than peace or love.
 
 
 

[Ichiban]

TAB - tell me you had to search the net for that picture and that you didn't have it saved in you personal porn folder.   

[tombogan03884]

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I'm sure I'm going to offend someone but hey I do that alot. I can give you the perspective of a couple of the current crop of Marines. We've raised them to be respectful but think for themselves, speak their mind and "too damn bad if you can't handle an alternate point of view".

Both of them are of the opinion that they don't give a rat's ass what you like in the sex department as long as you are doing your job and respecting your people. According to them this is a much debated/discussed issue among both the grunts and the pogs. They say that most of the service people they know agree with them. My oldest says that his unit lost a highly respected, very talented, squared away NCO because some "bible spouting cracker(his words)" reported to higher command that she was gay. When command investigated the complaint she refused to lie about her orientation and was discharged. As far as he is concerned the Marine that clearly demonstrated the values of honor and integity was the "flithy queer" not the self proclaimed "christian". Both boys say that the radical "my god, my morals, by my interpertaion ONLY" crowd do more damage to unit cohesion than any gay service person could ever do. To qoute the younger of the two; "If a queer is crossing the line he stops when you tell him his attention is not welcome. When the "preachers" start up they get louder and nasty if you tell them you are not interested in their "annointed" version of christianity". Radical fundamentalist's; doesn't matter if they are "serving" God or Allah, always create more friction and hate than peace or love.

Somethings there I have tried to say before.
Northern Ireland is a classic example of your last point.

PS, It's spelled "pogue", and dates back to the turn of the century or earlier, refers to "poguee bait (candy), used to pay gay sailors for "service rendered". now used to refer to any rear echelon types.

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[billt]

The problem with all of this is homosexuality is not a "mainstream" thought process, no matter how much they try to make it one. It never will be. You cannot force acceptance of a race or a given type of sexuality on someone. It never works. You watch how this whole thing with muslims in this country is going to go violent and bad as time progresses. The reason is most people don't like or want them around, period. You can banter on about all of the "good ones", just as you can about how harmless homosexuality is, or was. It doesn't matter because deep down most people don't like it or want it around them. And if you force it down their throats you'll get the same thing the dems are going to get on 11/2/10, slaughtered.

Race relations are worse now than they were 10 years ago. Mostly because of Hussein and Eric Holder and their anti white thinking and actions. Especially Holder with his antics within the Justice Department. They'll be even worse in another 10 years. Right or wrong, it's simply human nature and you'll never change it. Muslims are pushing themselves on to everyone while building up the hatred for it in most all non muslims. This will get nothing but worse as well. You cannot force cultural, racial, or religious integration on people. They don't like it, or want it. And if it continues to be forced upon them eventually they will react violently to it. If I were a homosexual, or a muslim I would certainly keep to myself about it. I sure as hell wouldn't dress up in leather shorts, lipstick, and dance in a parade, then wonder why I got the hell beat out of me. Some of these people need to think a little bit.

We now have co-ed aircraft carrier crews in the Navy. To serve what purpose? Look at all of the sexual harassment problems it creates. You stick 5,000+ people, most of which who are horny, young guys at sea for months at a time, then wonder in shock why there is grab ass taking place? Come on! All of this is nuts, and serves zero useful purpose in relationship to all of the problems it creates. All of this co-ed, multi cultural, homosexual, politically correct thinking is wasting time, money, and effort. And it is producing nothing but problems.   Bill T.

[fightingquaker13]

. All of this co-ed, multi cultural, homosexual, politically correct thinking is wasting time, money, and effort. And it is producing nothing but problems.   Bill T.

Its producing 12-20% of our armed forces (depending on branch) in regards to gender, and a hell of a lot more than that in terms of race. It seems to me, the ones who want privileges are the conservative Christians who seem to think they have the right not to be exposed to things that offend them. Guess what? Its a big world out there. When you sign up you are exposed to all walks of life. You live with them, serve with them, and take orders from them. If you can't deal with that, don't join. Nobody's making you. It seems that the service is already an artificial environment. It's got customs, rules, pecking orders, traditions, uniforms, merit badges and haircuts that bear no resemblence to the normal world. Its that way for a very good reason. A well disciplined army is and always has been an example of social engineering geared to one purpose. Its designed to overcome two basics of human nature, the reluctance to kill and the fear of death. History proves it works. Compared to that? Letting girls in the clubhouse or gays in the barracks seems like small potatoes. Just sayin'.
FQ13   

[MikeO]

Never bothered me. I didn't ask, they didn't tell, but ya could still tell, ya know?

They were always less trouble than the drunks, wife and kid beaters, bible thumpers, gangstas, rap, and country western fans, etc.

C'mon! Showering w somebody who thinks you have a nice butt is not the end of the world. Learn to handle that (bad pun intended) like ya handle all the other really tough stuff ya have to put up with.

The Republic will stand. Carry on.

[ratcatcher55]

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I'm sure I'm going to offend someone but hey I do that alot. I can give you the perspective of a couple of the current crop of Marines. We've raised them to be respectful but think for themselves, speak their mind and "too damn bad if you can't handle an alternate point of view".

Both of them are of the opinion that they don't give a rat's ass what you like in the sex department as long as you are doing your job and respecting your people. According to them this is a much debated/discussed issue among both the grunts and the pogs. They say that most of the service people they know agree with them. My oldest says that his unit lost a highly respected, very talented, squared away NCO because some "bible spouting cracker(his words)" reported to higher command that she was gay. When command investigated the complaint she refused to lie about her orientation and was discharged. As far as he is concerned the Marine that clearly demonstrated the values of honor and integity was the "flithy queer" not the self proclaimed "christian". Both boys say that the radical "my god, my morals, by my interpertaion ONLY" crowd do more damage to unit cohesion than any gay service person could ever do. To qoute the younger of the two; "If a queer is crossing the line he stops when you tell him his attention is not welcome. When the "preachers" start up they get louder and nasty if you tell them you are not interested in their "annointed" version of christianity". Radical fundamentalist's; doesn't matter if they are "serving" God or Allah, always create more friction and hate than peace or love.
 
 
 

+1 It's about the unit and completing the mission.

I have trained the Canadian and Dutch armies that allow openly gay soldiers. The Canadians are great troops and deal with it well.
The funniest story a warrant told me was the supply NCO was gay but a top soldier. He never hit on anyone in the unit.
Over beers someone asked him who he though was the cutest guy in the company. When he told them the rest got all upset he didn't pick them.

They do understand the US position on this but it has not been a problem for them.

Hetrosexual behavior is a big morale problem in some of the US units with folks sleeping around. The Navy had a big issue in 5th fleet that wrecked some careers recently.

[billt]

Its producing 12-20% of our armed forces FQ13  

You had that in the Second World War as well. But you didn't have them integrated all over the service. As a result you had none of the problems you have now. Look at the police. You've had female police officers for decades. Most worked in administrative positions, or else with children or other low risk, non physically demanding roles. Today they want to ride around in squad cars with guns, bringing down 300 pound, crazed crack heads. For what? It's the same but worse with fire departments across the country. They have had to lower the physical standards to near dangerous levels so these women can pass the physical tests and "do what the men do". It's silly, stupid and dangerous. If women want to serve in the military and in the nations various police and fire departments, there is a place for them, and always has been. It isn't side by side with the men everywhere, all the time. The same goes for homosexuals.   Bill T.