hell the USMC has been doing this for years

[fightingquaker13]

Ratcatcher said: "Hetrosexual behavior is a big morale problem in some of the US units with folks sleeping around. The Navy had a big issue in 5th fleet that wrecked some careers recently."




Its that way in every profession though. The basic rule is that you don't sleep with someone in the same chain of command. I dont care if its an insurance office or the Marines. If they take your orders or give them to you, they're off limits. God knows I could have slept with a lot of my students over the years, but you just don't do it. Horizontal (pun intended) relationships only. Anything else will get you fired just as quick as it will get you courtmartialed.
FQ13

[billt]

One of the last bastions of all male service in the armed forces is this nations submarine fleet. It is, and always has been all male, because of the extremely tight close working environment. The women are, and have been pushing to get into that as well. They'll do it. It's only a matter of time. When they do there will be a ton of issues and problems that will arise because of it. Most will be sexual in nature. None of it will make the submarine fleet any better when it happens. Only more problematic. Again with no purpose served.  Bill T.

[dipisc]

Hi;

     This ruling is bad for the Morale and Well being of the US Military of all branches. True in that there have been and are current people like that in the military. They do have to restrain themselves in order to stay a member of the Armed Forces.

     After having 4 platoons, I was assigned to Bn Casual/Reassignment ( 1975-76 ). This job consisted of reassigning recruits that had lost more than 3 days within a training cycle. Another part of the job was interviewing recruits from the Battalion that were to be discharged for many reasons - crimminal,drug,character/behavior,underage etc. Homosexual claims were also processed, some were factual and some were claimed just to get out of the Corps. To this day, I believe that homosexuals are not stable people. Their practices are sickening to whatever "normal" people believe in. To hear statements on Incest can make you vomit.

     I had more respect for the "kids" that got caught up with "the gang" and were busted for stupid stuff than any Homosexual that came through the office.

     Just remember,  Your buddy is supposed to watch your back - not your butt!

[usmcdadx2]

Tom I know the history of pouge and the original/correct spelling, I however opted to use the spelling that most of our young Marines are using...guess that's a comment on our education system!

I knew I would end up starting something but... a significant part of humanity is homosexual. Any belief system that preaches love and acceptance without accepting these people does all humanity a disservice and smacks of hypocrisy. No, radical homosexuality is not mainstream but, as with radical anything, most homosexuals are not radical. I'm not so sure I even buy the argument that most people don't want them around, I believe that except for the “in your face idiots” on both sides of the augment most people don't give a shit. To base all ones opinions of homosexuals on the nut jobs, washouts and oh poor me segment of their orientation is about as fair as painting all southerners with the "6 generation inbreeding mountain hillbillies" brush
BillT's arguments against homosexuals in the military have little to distinguish them from the ones used when all "them niggers" were "forced" onto the military. Yet for decades the armed forces were the most integrated, least contentious segment of American culture (at least until the me firsters and PC crowds started to mess with our country and the expectations that people should meet set standards instead of changing the standard to serve an agenda). Were there issues...yes but were they as common as "mainstream culture"...nope. Hundreds of thousands of service people did their stint and learned that blacks are just like the rest of us some outstanding and some major pieces of fecal material, those attitudes carried with them when they returned to "mainstream culture" and help power the original civil rights movement. Radicals push the envelope but nothing changes if there is not an underlying cultural acceptance.

Too often the hater's raise hell about being "forced" to accept something/someone counter to their beliefs, all while firmly sure of their moral imperative to impose their version of reality on others. The Westboro idiots come to mind. Do not take this next statement as an endorsement of Islam, especially the radical version but; sometimes it amazes me when the same people who make fun of the 12th century mindset of  Islam and the Quran pound on the bible as the unalterable fount of all wisdom. Conveniently ignoring the fact that the basis for the bible is even older than the belief system they are mocking and has been “altered”, both by intent and piss poor translation, innumerable times.

The arguments that we need the military/police/fire, whatever: to be all male, all strait, all this or that; or we will have problems is pandering to the same mentality as the people who modify performance standards in order to "include" everyone. If you can't interact with other adults of any gender/orientation without "problems" then YOU may the problem not them!

OK flack jacket on, helmet secure...post!

[billt]

BillT's arguments against homosexuals in the military have little to distinguish them from the ones used when all "them niggers" were "forced" onto the military.

That is total nonsense. First of all I'm not against Homosexuals in the military, or anywhere else for that matter. I'm just not seeing any advantage to having the right to brag about it. Keep quiet and avoid problems. There is nothing wrong with "don't ask, don't tell". If you're a homosexual just refrain from shouting it from the rooftops, if you happen to be in the military! No good will become of it. Can anyone explain how you can have a problem with a homosexual, if no one knows he is a homosexual? Copping out to some kind of nebulos, politically correct position says nothing, and proves even less. We've had blacks, women, and homosexuals around for a long time, in most all walks of life. Only now it is becoming a problem simply because we are forcing the issue of acceptance through integration. By doing so we are putting a lot of people into positions they don't want to be in, but are being forced into. The outcome when that happens is never good. All of the problems that have been created are proof of this. If it was all so wonderfully accepted, none of this would be happening. You cannot dictate to people what they should or shouldn't accept, and then expect them to be overjoyed about it.  Bill T.

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[fightingquaker13]

FYI Bill, we've had blacks women and homosexuals around for as long as there have been humans. Is it their job to stay in the closet, or our job to get over ourselves and realize this fact?
FQ13

[billt]

FYI Bill, we've had blacks women and homosexuals around for as long as there have been humans. Is it their job to stay in the closet, or our job to get over ourselves and realize this fact?
FQ13

We've "realized it" for as long as they've been around. It is in fact they're behaviour that has changed, not anyone else's. Every time we are pushed to "accept" a race or sexual orientation, problems arise. If you want an example look at our current President. He was elected strictly because it was the politically correct thing for whites to do. So they did it, jumping at the chance, swooning by the millions over their accomplishment at his inauguration. Here we sit less than 2 years later in this total mess. The same thing is happening with muslims, homosexuals, and women most everywhere else. They've been around for quite a while too. Now we're trying to blame ourselves yet again for all of this non acceptance. Where does all of this silliness end? When you push against an immovable object all you get is more resistance. All of this progressive thinking has proven that, if nothing else.  Bill T.

[Timothy]

One of the last bastions of all male service in the armed forces is this nations submarine fleet. It is, and always has been all male, because of the extremely tight close working environment. The women are, and have been pushing to get into that as well. They'll do it. It's only a matter of time. When they do there will be a ton of issues and problems that will arise because of it. Most will be sexual in nature. None of it will make the submarine fleet any better when it happens. Only more problematic. Again with no purpose served.  Bill T.

I believe they're already approved and going forward with it, I can find a link if you're interested.

http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=52954

[billt]

Look at women in the workplace. They have been there forever. Yet today with all of this stupid, progressive thinking it has led to tension at work that is off the chart. It is so bad that I have all but given up even speaking to women where I work. One woman there has had 3 men fired complaining about "sexual harassment". There never was any. Only the fear of legal repercussions if the owner didn't take action. That has led to all of this "zero tolerance" bull$h!t. It has never been like this. Ever. When I first got into my trade as an apprentice back in the early 70's, you couldn't work in a shop, any shop, without seeing naked pin up women from men's magazines everywhere. The office women came into the shop and it never bothered them. They would even check them out and joke about them. It was a light, easy going, friendly atmosphere.

Today you would be fired in a heartbeat for any such thing, and the owner would be facing the a$$ end of a 6 digit law suit for "sexual harassment". How is this change for the better? It isn't, plain and simple. When you give people, regardless of whatever race, religion, or gender they happen to be, the ability to cause and manufacture trouble, most will. We are seeing that today most everywhere. It is not becoming a better world because of it. Only more problem plagued. A lot more. I can't wait for the next 4 years to pass so I can exit the workforce once and for all. And I pity the next generation who has to try and earn a living in it. It's not going to be a pleasant venture to say the least. All of this stupid, progressive thinking is 95% of the reason why.  Bill T.

[JC5123]

I have to agree with Bill on this. I find nothing wrong with Don't ask Don't tell. Your sexual orientation has nothing to do with how well you perform your job. Be it launching MLRS or pealing potatoes. I don't give one hoot if your gay, but that doesn't mean I want to know about it. A persons sex life if something that I am perfectly happy to be ignorant about. If I'm sharing a foxhole with someone, I don't really want to hear about your conquest with whoever from last weekend. This goes for straight guys too! I don't care, I don't want to know.

Where you choose to stick your thermometer is your business. Don't bring it to the office. That goes for everyone. Gay, straight, male, or female. We are here to do a job. Let's get it done and go home. Yes it's more complicated in the military, but so is everything.