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Re: hell the USMC has been doing this for years
« Reply #50 on: October 21, 2010, 09:00:02 AM »
So we have no problem with them serving as long as they; do nothing to threaten or offend our cultural/religious bias...but don't anyone dare do or say anything that might infringe on our right to tell those different from us how to live their life.

No one is telling them how to "live their life". You're confusing "bias" with preference. I don't kiss and fondle my wife in public. It's not for lack of want, but rather respect for others. Sure I have the "right" to do it, but I choose not to exercise it. It's no different with gays in the military, or anywhere else. They have the ability to do their jobs well. How is shoving their sexual preference in everyone's face going to make them any better at it? It won't, pure and simple. All it is going to do is cause added tension and issues the military doesn't need. They can be gay, the same as I can be "Straight". They can be in the military, same as anyone else. They can practice whatever sexual "situation" turns them on, just like any other straight couple. They can also keep quiet about it, the same as I do about my marriage and sexual preferences and or actions. I'm not seeing how this is infringing on anyone's "rights". It is simply common sense and respect for others. P.C. is pushing it everywhere else it does not need to go. The comparison you make to the half naked teens at the mall, or the fat woman falls into the same category as the gays. They are being insensitive to others by trying to push their cause, and what they want. Again, nothing more than hooray for me, and screw you. I don't go around bragging I'm married, or what my sexual preferences are with my wife, why do they feel they have to, and then have the audacity to feel threatened if someone doesn't want to hear it? It's almost downright silly.

The switch to women in the workplace is equally interesting; yep they have been there forever. Sexual abuse, intimidation and inequity has been around forever too. This behavior was long overdue to be addressed, the problems that you are complaining about are not the result of the working woman, her place in the workforce or the fact that she has every right to fair and respectful treatment.

Again, no one is saying, or even remotely suggesting women, or anyone else for that matter should have to face abuse or bullying in the workplace. The problem now is the entire concept of preventing this sort of behaviour has gone to the point of the mere accusation of it can destroy a innocent persons ability to earn a living, or ruin a perfectly good career. I've seen it, so please don't tell me it isn't happening. Employers have become so fearful of being sued they'll cut lose anyone who is even remotely charged with any such action. Again, I've seen it, and yes, again it's all of this P.C. nonsense that is the driving force behind it. Political correctness is making people blind and stupid in this country. It allows them to act without any common sense thinking or thought process. I offer up "Zero Tolerance" as the ultimate politically correct cop out they all fall on.

 What I find so amazing are all of these companies who are so quick on the trigger to adapt the "Zero Tolerance" cop out to sexual harassment, in no way, shape, or form accurately define it. You tell a woman at work you think she looks really nice in an outfit she's wearing, she takes it the wrong way, marches into the owners office and complains, "Bill T. is making suggestive remarks about my clothing, and I want it STOPPED!" My paycheck just went to zero because this woman got up on the wrong side of bed, or else hated me to begin with for whatever reason. Again, I've seen it happen, and it is out of control. And please don't try and tell me it isn't because of political correctness. The more P.C. this nation becomes, the worse all of this gets.   Bill T.

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Re: hell the USMC has been doing this for years
« Reply #51 on: October 21, 2010, 09:10:29 AM »
And now to frost the cake and light the candles, N.P.R. Radio has just fired Juan Williams because he made the statement on Fox News, if he were on a commercial airliner, and a bunch of muslims in full garb were sitting across the isle, it would make him nervous. I guess I should be fired as well because it sure as hell would make me more nervous than if it were a senior group out of Schenectady, New York. Once again political correctness running totally amok, and an innocent man loses his job because of it.

In an even better example of this insanity, I'll offer up a situation that happened at my company. We have several hispanics employed in a multitude of positions. Before the passage of S.B. 1070 they were all complaining about how unfair it was, and how they all hoped it would be defeated. Most others ignored them and all of their bantering. No one engaged them in any debate about it. Then, without warning all non hispanic employees were called into a meeting and told if we are caught even discussing S.B. 1070 among ourselves, we would be fired on the spot! Most of us simply walked out shaking our heads. I have never seen it this bad in over 40 years in the workforce, and as I mentioned before, I can't wait for retirement so I can get the hell out of it for good!  Bill T.

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Re: hell the USMC has been doing this for years
« Reply #52 on: October 21, 2010, 11:44:16 AM »
Actually Rat, it is only decades of ignorant bigotry. Prior to the modern era anybody was perfectly welcome to get shot at for the country.
Check your history, Blacks flocked to the English cause during the Revolution, there were even blacks serving in the Confederate Army during the Civil war.

Another thought for all of you, Who the f*$k do you think you are ? You bitch about any infringement of your rights, but some of you are perfectly willing to tell every one else how to live ?
I never in a million years thought I would wind up defending queers, but it sounds like hypocrisy to me.

And now to frost the cake and light the candles, N.P.R. Radio has just fired Juan Williams because he made the statement on Fox News, if he were on a commercial airliner, and a bunch of muslims in full garb were sitting across the isle, it would make him nervous. I guess I should be fired as well because it sure as hell would make me more nervous than if it were a senior group out of Schenectady, New York. Once again political correctness running totally amok, and an innocent man loses his job because of it.

In an even better example of this insanity, I'll offer up a situation that happened at my company. We have several hispanics employed in a multitude of positions. Before the passage of S.B. 1070 they were all complaining about how unfair it was, and how they all hoped it would be defeated. Most others ignored them and all of their bantering. No one engaged them in any debate about it. Then, without warning all non hispanic employees were called into a meeting and told if we are caught even discussing S.B. 1070 among ourselves, we would be fired on the spot! Most of us simply walked out shaking our heads. I have never seen it this bad in over 40 years in the workforce, and as I mentioned before, I can't wait for retirement so I can get the hell out of it for good!  Bill T.

They do not have the power to make that stick, since it is not legal. 1st Amendment, and various SCOTUS rulings.
Some even focusing on Gays.

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Re: hell the USMC has been doing this for years
« Reply #53 on: October 21, 2010, 11:56:18 AM »
They do not have the power to make that stick, since it is not legal. 1st Amendment, and various SCOTUS rulings.

It doesn't matter. Who is going to take them to court on it? Law suits cost money, and even in this type of situation if you prevailed the most you'll see is job reinstatement with the possibility of recouping some back pay. Attorneys won't see a big payoff, so they'll balk at taking the case. Either way the white employee loses. These people know where the boundaries lay, and march right up to them.  Bill T.

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Re: hell the USMC has been doing this for years
« Reply #54 on: October 21, 2010, 11:59:23 AM »
It doesn't matter. Who is going to take them to court on it? Law suits cost money, and even in this type of situation if you prevailed the most you'll see is job reinstatement with the possibility of recouping some back pay. Attorneys won't see a big payoff, so they'll balk at taking the case. Either way the white employee loses. These people know where the boundaries lay, and march right up to them.  Bill T.

So basically you seem to be saying that only the anti white types have the determination to actually back up what they say ?
Seems like it always comes back to the money with you, principle takes 2nd place to profit.

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Re: hell the USMC has been doing this for years
« Reply #55 on: October 21, 2010, 12:02:47 PM »
You bitch about any infringement of your rights, but some of you are perfectly willing to tell every one else how to live ?

I don't care how anyone "lives". I just don't want to hear a "blow by blow" description. Gays don't effect my rights, or I there's. I just don't care about their "choices" in life anymore than they care about mine. I'm for everyone, gay or straight, keeping their mouth shut about their sexuality. In short, I don't want to be exposed to it from either side.   Bill T.

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Re: hell the USMC has been doing this for years
« Reply #56 on: October 21, 2010, 12:03:50 PM »
So basically you seem to be saying that only the anti white types have the determination to actually back up what they say ?
Seems like it always comes back to the money with you, principle takes 2nd place to profit.

Please explain how one "profits" from a job loss?   Bill T.

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« Reply #57 on: October 21, 2010, 02:14:55 PM »
Who I am...?
An American Taxpayer excercising my 1st Amendment rights to Free Speech.
I do not agree with Gays in the Milityary...Abortion...or the continued Erosion of this Country's Constitution....

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Re: hell the USMC has been doing this for years
« Reply #58 on: October 21, 2010, 02:26:55 PM »
So basically you seem to be saying that only the anti white types have the determination to actually back up what they say ?

No, the "anti white types" back up nothing. They are better at bitching and moaning about whatever ails them, and getting away with it simply because employers are scared to death of them, because big name attorneys the likes of Gloria Allred are chomping at the bit to take on a case involving a minority pro bono, because the payoff will come in spades in garnered publicity and catapult their careers into the limelight, much as it did for her in the Niki Diaz fiasco involving Meg Whitman. Who do you think will pay more out of pocket for cleaning up that mess, Whitman or Diaz? Whitman is wealthy, Diaz doesn't have a pot to piss in, or a window to toss it from. She is nothing more than an illegal invader in search of a soap box. Allred gave it to her free of charge, complete with microphone and satellite link.

 Fast forward to me for possibly getting fired because I thwarted "company policy" and talked about S.B. 1070. Who is going to come out of the woodwork to defend my poor little white ass? Bottom line, I'm not going to risk it so I can spend $500.00 in attorneys fees for every $50.00 I get in back pay, and a job back that I never should have lost in the first place. Pardon me for being practical and using simple mathematics in place of being a financial and social martyr.   Bill T.

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Re: hell the USMC has been doing this for years
« Reply #59 on: October 21, 2010, 02:39:28 PM »
OK I lied...last post I promise!
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No one is telling them how to "live their life". You're confusing "bias" with preference. I don't kiss and fondle my wife in public. It's not for lack of want, but rather respect for others. Sure I have the "right" to do it, but I choose not to exercise it. It's no different with gays in the military, or anywhere else. They have the ability to do their jobs well. How is shoving their sexual preference in everyone's face going to make them any better at it? It won't, pure and simple. All it is going to do is cause added tension and issues the military doesn't need. They can be gay, the same as I can be "Straight". They can be in the military, same as anyone else. They can practice whatever sexual "situation" turns them on, just like any other straight couple. They can also keep quiet about it, the same as I do about my marriage and sexual preferences and or actions. I'm not seeing how this is infringing on anyone's "rights". It is simply common sense and respect for others. P.C. is pushing it everywhere else it does not need to go. The comparison you make to the half naked teens at the mall, or the fat woman falls into the same category as the gays. They are being insensitive to others by trying to push their cause, and what they want. Again, nothing more than hooray for me, and screw you. I don't go around bragging I'm married, or what my sexual preferences are with my wife, why do they feel they have to, and then have the audacity to feel threatened if someone doesn't want to hear it? It's almost downright silly

Actually you are telling them how to live their life when you tell them that they cannot do the same things you can do in your life unless they "hide" who they are. And it is different for gays in the military; if you are a 20 something, strait, horndog sleeping with and bragging about all the bar sluts you have done; there is no jepardy to your continued service. If you are gay and express it in any way you risk being tossed out on your ass so; no, they cannot be in the military "same as anyone else". Believe it or not being gay does not by default make them activists or braggarts about who the prefer to sleep with. Some do...most don't same as us straight folk. I think you are confusing "preference" with bias. How did your personal preference come to supersede theirs or anyone else's? How is shoving your moral preference in everyone's face displaying common sense or respect? Why can you have the audacity to object to their preferences while berating them for objecting to yours?

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The switch to women in the workplace is equally interesting; yep they have been there forever. Sexual abuse, intimidation and inequity has been around forever too. This behavior was long overdue to be addressed, the problems that you are complaining about are not the result of the working woman, her place in the workforce or the fact that she has every right to fair and respectful treatment. They are the result of dumbass politicians who make laws more or less in a vacuum, bureaucrats who administer those laws without any thought to common sense or reality, activist women with an agenda, media that pander to "the men are bad" mindset and lawyers who found a gravy train.

Dude...did you even read the last half of that paragraph? In all of my posts I referrence that the biggest problems are PC and/or extremism. The part you are not accepting is there are extremists on both sides of the issue. Their side pushing for equal treatment and your side pushing back basically because "it just ain't right and I don't like it". The folks in the middle, both strait and gay mostly spend our time shaking our heads in amazement at the stupidity of both sides. The simple core of the issue is make policy; "Sexual orientation shall have no bearing on the ability of a person to serve in the US Armed Forces" simple straight forward and no need of, or leverage for, any liberal PC crap or fundamentalist's input.


 

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