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JC5123

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As if you didn't have enough reason to leave NY
« on: October 27, 2010, 10:04:45 AM »
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/10/23/nyc-proposal-renders-bad-drivers-debtors-unfit-guns/


OK this is just pathetic. They are just getting desperate and stupid now.
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Re: As if you didn't have enough reason to leave NY
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2010, 12:07:37 PM »
What part of "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" is so confusing?
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Re: As if you didn't have enough reason to leave NY
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2010, 03:35:39 PM »
As my Grand Pa used to say..." They're just a bunch of booger eatin MORONS down there"
"If violent crime is to be curbed, it is only the intended victim who can do it. The felon does not fear the police, and he fears neither judge nor jury. Therefore what he must be taught to fear is his victim." - Jeff Cooper
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Re: As if you didn't have enough reason to leave NY
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2010, 03:48:47 PM »
This seems deliberate on Bloomberg's part. Its like all the states that tried to tighten abortion restrictions after the SC got a conservative majority in the '80s. They wanted to see which ones would stand. This was the game until Casey spelled it out in '92. Some states are still trying, with things like requirig an ultrasound.
 Bloomberg hates guns and has plenty of money. He wants to see wht the Court will uphold as a "reasonble restriction". The laundry list reported to Fox is a great example. Most will probably get knocked down, but some might stick. Being in default of child support for instance, or in default of student lones. Even in Tx. these could stop you from getting a CCW, at least if I remember correctly. Its trickier here, as its about owning, not carrying a gun. Still Bloomberg is happy to see this go to court. >:(
What needs to happen is for the NY legislature to impose a uniform standard and end local preemption. That would end this.
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Re: As if you didn't have enough reason to leave NY
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2010, 04:08:32 PM »
Just put a bullet in Bloomerbutt's head, that'll end his reign!   :-X  ;D
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Re: As if you didn't have enough reason to leave NY
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Re: As if you didn't have enough reason to leave NY
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2010, 04:31:05 PM »
Just put a bullet in Bloomerbutt's head, that'll end his reign!   :-X  ;D

 It would more than likely bounce off or miss his little pea brain, either way it would just be used as a reason for more restrictions in ny
"If violent crime is to be curbed, it is only the intended victim who can do it. The felon does not fear the police, and he fears neither judge nor jury. Therefore what he must be taught to fear is his victim." - Jeff Cooper
Pericles--"Freedom is only for those who have the guts to defend it".

The problem with society today is that not enough of us drink wine from our enemies skulls”.

It takes 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 3 for proper trigger squeeze.

Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars!!!
-Sheriff Jim Wilson
"When tyranny becomes law rebellion becomes duty" Thomas Jefferson
Es gibt keine Notwendigkeit zu befürchten, Underdog hier ist.
Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage. Where are we now??????

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Re: As if you didn't have enough reason to leave NY
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2010, 04:38:44 PM »
This seems deliberate on Bloomberg's part. Its like all the states that tried to tighten abortion restrictions after the SC got a conservative majority in the '80s. They wanted to see which ones would stand. This was the game until Casey spelled it out in '92. Some states are still trying, with things like requirig an ultrasound.
 Bloomberg hates guns and has plenty of money. He wants to see wht the Court will uphold as a "reasonble restriction". The laundry list reported to Fox is a great example. Most will probably get knocked down, but some might stick. Being in default of child support for instance, or in default of student lones. Even in Tx. these could stop you from getting a CCW, at least if I remember correctly. Its trickier here, as its about owning, not carrying a gun. Still Bloomberg is happy to see this go to court. >:(
What needs to happen is for the NY legislature to impose a uniform standard and end local preemption. That would end this.
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I don't agree with your argument. Here's why: The only "reasonable" restriction on owning a firearm is being a convicted felon. I agree with this. Beyond that, there is nothing that gives government the authority to infringe on my RIGHT to own a firearm. Period!
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Re: As if you didn't have enough reason to leave NY
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2010, 04:43:06 PM »
I don't agree with your argument. Here's why: The only "reasonable" restriction on owning a firearm is being a convicted felon. I agree with this. Beyond that, there is nothing that gives government the authority to infringe on my RIGHT to own a firearm. Period!
I'm not making an argument. The Court in Heller and McDonald allowed for "reasonable restrictions". They just overturned out right bans and said SD was an adequate reason to own a gun. The question of the hour is "what sorts of restrictions are reasonable"? This is where the battle will be fought.
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Re: As if you didn't have enough reason to leave NY
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2010, 05:00:01 PM »
I'm no makig an argument. The Court in Heller and McDonald allowed for "reasonable restrictions". They just overturned out right bans and said SD was an adequate reason to own a gun. The question of the hour is "what sorts of restrictions are reasonable"? This is where the battle will be fought.
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I just told you. Being a convicted felon is the ONLY reasonable reason to be restricted.
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Re: As if you didn't have enough reason to leave NY
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2010, 05:08:18 PM »
I just told you. Being a convicted felon is the ONLY reasonable reason to be restricted.
You and I agree. Sadly, we are not federal judges. Trust me, a lot of anti-states and localities are going to offer all sorts of things. NY style DQs, licensing, residency requirements, tests, a limit on the number of guns owned, bans on semis, restrictions on storage, inspections etc. Brady types will argue that the crap phil lives with is "reasonable", with the only exception being the right to own a gun for SD. Beyond that, they will try to limit the right to as close to nothing as they can. Just like pro-lifers didn't go away after Casey, neither will the antis. They will legislate and litigate until the Court lays out a minimum standard of what it considers to be "unreasonable" restrictions. :-\
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