Americans losing jobs and illegals are gaining jobs

[rojawe]

http://www.examiner.com/immigration-reform-in-national/study-finds-that-as-americans-lost-their-jobs-illegal-aliens-gained-them-w-video
Send them home and jail employers that hire them

[fightingquaker13]

Where is the toll free number to report people hiring illegals?
What the Hell is wrong with these people?
FQ13

[tombogan03884]

Where is the toll free number to report people hiring illegals?
What the Hell is wrong with these people?
FQ13

Liberals.

[fightingquaker13]

Liberals.

True, but the Farm Bureau and Chamber of Commere types in the GOP are no better. There are three types of folks winning here. The illegalls, those who hire them, and the politicians they pay off. The rest of us get the shaft.
FQ13

[MikeBjerum]

True, but the Farm Bureau and Chamber of Commere types in the GOP are no better. There are three types of folks winning here. The illegalls, those who hire them, and the politicians they pay off. The rest of us get the shaft.
FQ13

Don't forget those that demand the lowest possible price at any cost.  The same crowd that drives moving our production overseas to countries that will allow workplaces, wages and environmental practices that this crowd forbids here and condemns there.

Even though some of what you claim in "pay offs" exists, the larger factor is the U.S. consumer!

[Sponsor]

[fightingquaker13]

Don't forget those that demand the lowest possible price at any cost.  The same crowd that drives moving our production overseas to countries that will allow workplaces, wages and environmental practices that this crowd forbids here and condemns there.

Even though some of what you claim in "pay offs" exists, the larger factor is the U.S. consumer!

You are dead right on that! However, here is where I make a fine distinction between buying Chinese imports and hiring an illegal, and it is a fine distiction, but an important one.
I'm going to sound a lttle less libertarian and a little more old school Burkean conservative when I say this, but here goes. Some of government's job, a small part, but a real one, is to save us from ourselves. By that I mean that there are things we all know are wrong, but we'd be tempted to do anyway if there weren't consequenses. Everything from skimming from the till, to cheating on our taxes to looking the other way to get your yard mowed cheaper or save on the wage bill. Its the law that keeps us honest. If its not enforced, or enforced sporadically and arbitrarilly, its worse than having no law at all. This is because people will not only do the wrong thing, but develop contempt for the law while doing so. This seems to be where we are with illegals. We know hiring them hurts US, but it helps ME. Unless given an incentive like social dissaproval and fines and jail time, why should I obey the law and suffer while my competitors don't and profit? This is where enforcement is necesary as it greatly reduces the competative advantage of doing the wrong thing. So here, I do place those that hire illegals as being worse than those who hit Wally World versus buying American Just a thought.
FQ13

[tombogan03884]

Yes, and look at the sh!t storm that exploded on Arizona.
We have an administration that is forming an international coalition against one of our own states for even trying to enforce the law.

[billt]

Also remember that most American workers receiving Unemployment Compensation are getting more than illegal invaders who are working. Few if any will walk away from Unemployment benefits to go to work for less money. That fact skews the numbers in this type of article. It's hard to compare the loss of a $60,000.00 career position, to the hiring of a bus boy or a lettuce picker. Numbers are being manipulated here. If 200,000 people each buy a $800.00 used car, does that really mean car sales are up?  Bill T.

[billt]

Another thing you have to remember is a lot of this is the not so pretty side of free market capitalism. Employers want workers to do as much as possible for as little compensation as they can possibly give them. If an employer can find a way to take a dollar out of your pocket, and put it into his, and still keep you working in the process, he's going to do it. It is simply good business. This is the cornerstone union labor was, and is based on. The problem with both is they quickly spiral out of control. Unions create fat, lazy, overpaid workers, and employers will employ anyone with 2 arms and 2 legs as cheaply as possible, even if it means building a plant in Viet Nam, (read Nike Sportswear).

My wages have dropped over $2.50 an hour because of this poor economy, with very little chance of getting it back anytime soon. The depressed job market has lowered wages in my trade. There are simply too many unemployed people. Lower wages are the unfortunate by product of that condition. The upside, as bad as it sounds, is that these lowered wages may keep jobs in this country as a result. Lower pay is better than no pay at all. We as workers want to hang employers for hiring illegal invaders too cheaply, and at the same time want to shut down labor unions for creating fat, useless, overpaid people, and for running jobs overseas as a result. Everyone gets burned to some degree. Most don't care as long as it's the other guy. Ask these unemployed people who want labor unions busted out, if they would trade places with a U.A.W. worker who is getting paid $37.00 an hour to play nine ball while he waits to get called back to work. Most would jump at the chance. Same with these transit workers who make $87,000.00 a year driving a bus up and down the same street all day, every day.

The only way this kind of playing field can be leveled is through socialism, and then everyone loses across the board. So many are getting it stuck up their a$$ at the present time, this concept is sadly gaining in popularity. When people are losing their jobs, homes, and going bankrupt, they'll grab at anything they see as an improvement, regardless how bad the long term outcome is. Salt it all over with the fact Americans are fast becoming some of the worst savers, and managers of their own money on the planet, and you've got a real economic mess on your hands. Simply far too much of not taking care of ourselves, and wanting the government to do more of it for us has put this country on this Kamikaze course. The sad reality is the longer this country remains this way, the better chance socialism, and all of the nightmares it creates, has of succeeding.  Bill T.  

[twyacht]

How are those "shovel-ready" projects goin?'