Small Town Justice, Against Foxboro Baptist Funeral Protestors.

[tombogan03884]

M58 is wrong, unattributable personal violence works much better.
Hard to hold a sign when "Unidentified masked men" have broken your arms and legs .
Makes you think twice about pissing off folks you don't know too, ask Jake Jablonski about it, or Jimmy Hoffa, or any of the people paying "protection" to gangs.

[TAB]

Sadly itdoesn't work. A little history here. These guys started this in the '90s protesting at the funerals of AIDS victims flashing tasteful signs like "Your Son I Rotting in Hell Like He Rotted in Life" or my personal favorite "Now He's Satan's Bitch". The peaceful barrier thing came when they protested Mattew Shepards funeral and a group of students (I don't know if they were gay or not) dressed in giant angel suits and surrounded them. It should have given a Christian pause. Sadly, thats not what we are dealing with. 18 year old angels didn't work and I doubt vetrans with American flags will either. These folks are getting paid. I think a chorus of "Let's All gather At the River" (I'll bring the logging chain), might be in order.
FQ13

yeah becuase every one that contracted aids got it from sin...  

Now I know a few people that did contract it from "sin",   I also know  2 that got it from thier husband/wife that was cheating on them.

[tombogan03884]

TAB posted while I was "modifying" my last post.
I don't knowingly know any one with AIDS but I had 2 buddies who contracted Hepatitis from blood transfusions during the first Gulf war, both were 10 years younger than me and both are now dead.

[MikeBjerum]

Sorry to strongly disagree boys, but I speak from experience!

It is the way we do it when requested by the families to stand honor at visitation, funeral and/or burial.

Patriot Guard Riders Mission Statement

The Patriot Guard Riders is a diverse amalgamation of riders from across the nation. We have one thing in common besides motorcycles. We have an unwavering respect for those who risk their very lives for America’s freedom and security. If you share this respect, please join us.

We don’t care what you ride or if you ride, what your political views are, or whether you’re a hawk or a dove. It is not a requirement that you be a veteran. It doesn't matter where you’re from or what your income is; you don’t even have to ride. The only prerequisite is Respect.

Our main mission is to attend the funeral services of fallen American heroes as invited guests of the family. Each mission we undertake has two basic objectives:

   1. Show our sincere respect for our fallen heroes, their families, and their communities.
   2. Shield the mourning family and their friends from interruptions created by any protestor or group of protestors.

We accomplish the latter through strictly legal and non-violent means.

To those of you who are currently serving and fighting for the freedoms of others, at home and abroad, please know that we are backing you.  We honor and support you with every mission we carry out, and we are praying for a safe return home for all

Perhaps there is a difference because of the appearance of the Riders, but for some reason it works.

[TAB]

TAB posted while I was "modifying" my last post.
I don't knowingly know any one with AIDS but I had 2 buddies who contracted Hepatitis from blood transfusions during the first Gulf war, both were 10 years younger than me and both are now dead.

I'd be very shocked if you don't know anyone with HIV/AIDS.  Lots of people do a very good job of hiding it. 

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[tombogan03884]

M58,
I respect what the Patriot Guard does, I think you guys are awesome for passing on the condolences of all Veterans to grieving families that we as individuals may never even hear of. My posts have been mostly in jest, however there is a solid grain of truth in the jest.
Dr. Martin Luther King worked for Civil rights through peaceful protest, sort of.
When he planned a march he knew that there was a high probability that they would meet with violence along the way.
Also, the "Peaceful protests" benefited  from the associated violence of groups like the original Black Panther Party, every march, every speech, carried the implied threat "You can deal with us in the Courts, or you can deal with them in the streets."

I'd be very shocked if you don't know anyone with HIV/AIDS.  Lots of people do a very good job of hiding it. 

I'm not acquainted with any one who is openly Gay. I have 2 cousins who are but I have not seen either of them in years

[fightingquaker13]

You are right M58, but lord these pharisees piss me off. It would be bad enough if they resorted to this tactic out of pure conscience (think the worst anti-war types during Vietnam protesting soldiers funerals). Its worse than that if they choose these (mostly) hetero-sexual soldiers as hostages in their anti-gay jihad. What makes it unconscinable is that this is a source of revenue and notoriety, not just real conviction.
What are they in favor of? Let's assume God does in fact hate fags. What's the rest of the plan? I detest people who define themselves by what they are against, not what they are for. A purely negative agenda leads to negative actions and bears little positive fruit. These creatures are exhibit A, right along with Al Queda. What good do they do? Still, the only alternative is to confront savegry with civilization and marginalize them. Just don't ever think you'll convert them. They are beyond that.
FQ13 who will confront them with a flag and/or bible, but really doubts it will  do a thing towards dissuading them. Still, I'm not them, and I won't be.

[tombogan03884]

You are right M58, but lord these pharisees piss me off. It would be bad enough if they resorted to this tactic out of pure conscience (think the worst anti-war types during Vietnam protesting soldiers funerals). Its worse than that if they choose these (mostly) hetero-sexual soldiers as hostages in their anti-gay jihad. What makes it unconscinable is that this is a source of revenue and notoriety, not just real conviction.
What are they in favor of? Let's assume God does in fact hate fags. What's the rest of the plan? I detest people who define themselves by what they are against, not what they are for. A purely negative agenda leads to negative actions and bears little positive fruit. These creatures are exhibit A, right along with Al Queda. What good do they do? Still, the only alternative is to confront savegry with civilization and marginalize them. Just don't ever think you'll convert them. They are beyond that.
FQ13 who will confront them with a flag and/or bible, but really doubts it will  do a thing towards dissuading them. Still, I'm not them, and I won't be.

I agree there, though I would prefer to confront them with "Beecher's Bibles".

Just so you know FQ, God does in fact hate Gay's  if, as many claim, the Bible is the word of God .

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2018:22&version=KJV

 22Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2020:13&version=KJV

 13If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.


That is why Bishop Robinson has caused a split between the English and American branches of the Anglican Church, not to mention ruining his own life through substance abuse.

[TAB]

I'm not acquainted with any one who is openly Gay. I have 2 cousins who are but I have not seen either of them in years

most gays are not onpenly gay.  I know many that you would never think they are gay. ( both male and female)  I also know many that you would swear they were gay.

[fightingquaker13]

This has nothing to do with gays. Its about common decency. As far as homosexuality, there are Biblical arguments on both sides. One says we take those passages literally and prescriptively, the other says we need to put them in historical context and understand that they aren't necessarily talking about the same things we are talking about today. Me, being straight? I honestly don't care all that much. I figure you should live your life and you and God can argue it out in the hereafter. Its not my business either way.
Phelps though? That's something I hope all Christians and everyone else can condemn. Inflicting pain on grieving families to make a point and get air time? Particularly when its done intentionally for fame and profit? That's one step up from assault. Yes its protected speech. Still, freedom of speech does imply having the moral decency to know when to shut the hell up, and a funeral is one of those times.
FQ13