3rd Party Candidate

[tombogan03884]

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/november_2010/gop_primary_voters_express_interest_in_third_party_option

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Roughly one-quarter to one-third of Republican primary voters say they would be inclined to consider a third-party candidate if any of the current favorites wins the GOP presidential nomination for 2012.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 31% of likely primary voters say they are at least somewhat likely to consider supporting a third-party candidate for president if former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin is the GOP nominee. That includes 17% who say it is Very Likely. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

If ex-Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee, who unsuccessfully sought the nomination in 2008, is the 2012 nominee, 24% say they are at least somewhat likely to consider a third-party candidate, with 11% who say it is Very Likely.

Twenty-eight percent (28%) are at least somewhat likely to consider a third-party option if another 2008 hopeful, former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, wins the party’s presidential nomination. This finding includes 12% who say it is Very Likely.


I could probably write FQ's reply to this, because I would oppose  Huckabee or Romney, but for the rest of you, (and FQ as well if he leaves out the off topic Palin bashing )  
Which would be more effective, purging the proven RINO's at the voting booth, or supporting a "Tea Party Candidate with no previous ties to either of the main parties ?

[MikeBjerum]

I like having a choice, and I don't like what the big two give us, but I see too many times where the third party doesn't get in and ruins the best of the other two. 

This year in MN we are going through a recount ... again.  I think it will stay blue, because there is a spread of 8,700.  However, it is within the margin that the recount is automatic by law.  With less than one percent between the top two, the Rep. and the Ind. being very similar, and the Ind. taking 12%, I think he cost us a Republican Gov.  Not that Republican is the only issue, but rich boy Dayton, of Dayton Dept. Stores and Target stores, has made it clear that we aren't being taxed enough    Dayton may be the first gov. to actually propose the old cartoon of "What was your gross pay, what did we take in withholdings, what do you have left, send it to us!"

[TAB]

I can't see any 3rd party winning.  Infact a storng 3rd party will mean obama will get a 2nd term unless he does not run.

[tombogan03884]

2 ways of looking at it,
#1 No 3rd party Candidate has won the White House in 160 years.
#2 On the other hand if Lincoln could do it then, why can't another good Candidate do it again ? He was after all the first Presidential Candidate ever put up by the then newly formed Republican Party.

Abe had a seriously divisive issue to deal with in the States Rights/ Slavery debate, we on the other hand have several issues equally divisive, Illegal immigration, the economy, ObummerCare, and a return visit to the States rights issue,

[TAB]

If a 3rd party was going to win, the only issuse they could really touch is immagration. I'm talking about both kinds legal and illegal.

  Anything else and they won't pull votes from both sides.  Which is what it would take to win.

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[fightingquaker13]

Th conservatives are shooting themselves in the foot with the RINO hunting season. Palin is exhibit A. And note, I am here to praise Sarah, not bash her. She done good last tuesday. She was close to 70% successful with candidates she backed. Not shabby at all. Still, those were mostly cherry picked local races. They were not at all indicative of a rightward shift in the electorate. Sarah never said it was. Others have.
Nationally, the idea of being more pure conservative as a winning strategy hits the brick wall of reality. Most Americans aren't pure conservative. Americans are just pissed at how things are going and have been for a while. They didn't like what W had done and voted for the Dems in '06 and '08. They aren't happy with BO and voted GOP in '10.The problem W and BO both had was that they thought they had a mandate. Nothing was further from the truth. They just got the invitation because they were the second ugliest girl in the bar at closing time. Nothing more.
The right thinks being more conserative will work? Please, look at the Dems. They thought the same thing in the '60s and '70s. Only for them, it was being more purely liberal. As a result, they lost the working class and the South. Now the GOP seems poised to do the same. They may get the hard right, but they'll lose the pro-free market social liberals who populate the suburbs and who will vote for  a Blue Dog Dem before a Pat Robertson Republican. All they care about are low taxes and strong defense. They don't care about gays, abortion, the drug war or the rest of it. Rub it in their face and they'll stay home or vote for the dems.
FQ13   

[tombogan03884]

The biggest stumbling block for the Conservative movement is the religious right.
The rest of the country perceive them as pushy arrogant jerks who want to impose a theocracy.
As an example take the "Gay's in the military" issue , I saw a recent poll that claimed 70% of active duty troops are in favor of it after about 15 years of don't ask, Don't tell. The only ones opposed are the "God loves me better" crowd, the people who actually have to work with them don't care.
Let THIS country be invaded and you could f%ck a chicken in the recruiting line and they would still accept you.
Another good example is the ignorant attitude they exhibit toward Pagan's, "Oh no! Devil worshipers".
Dumb asses overlook the fact that people who don't follow Christianity don't believe in Satan either.  

But FQ is dead wrong about the RINO's serving any useful purpose, If you want to work with the other party, who's policies have been repeated proven to be wrong, then join the other party.

This is why another party is needed, Abortion is a time wasting non issue,after SCOTUS rulings and the development so many other forms of birth control only self righteous azzholes oppose it, and only politicians make an issue of supporting it so they can suck up to women about "Freedom of choice", and "women's issues" mean while they f#ck you on TAX issue's. Look at who still makes an issue of it, The same people who see "Racism" under every rock.
  End the useless and expensive war on some drugs, it didn't work with booze only an idiot or some one trying to find jobs for prohibition agents would think a failed policy is a good idea.
Secure the border, get rid of the debt, cut the sh!t out of taxes and the size of Govt. and enforce the Constitution.
The Govt has no place in any social issue.

[fightingquaker13]

The biggest stumbling block for the Conservative movement is the religious right.
The rest of the country perceive them as pushy arrogant jerks who want to impose a theocracy.
As an example take the "Gay's in the military" issue , I saw a recent poll that claimed 70% of active duty troops are in favor of it after about 15 years of don't ask, Don't tell. The only ones opposed are the "God loves me better" crowd, the people who actually have to work with them don't care.
Let THIS country be invaded and you could f%ck a chicken in the recruiting line and they would still accept you.
Another good example is the ignorant attitude they exhibit toward Pagan's, "Oh no! Devil worshipers".
Dumb asses overlook the fact that people who don't follow Christianity don't believe in Satan either.  

But FQ is dead wrong about the RINO's serving any useful purpose, If you want to work with the other party, who's policies have been repeated proven to be wrong, then join the other party.

This is why another party is needed, Abortion is a time wasting non issue,after SCOTUS rulings and the development so many other forms of birth control only self righteous azzholes oppose it, and only politicians make an issue of supporting it so they can suck up to women about "Freedom of choice", and "women's issues" mean while they f#ck you on TAX issue's. Look at who still makes an issue of it, The same people who see "Racism" under every rock.
  End the useless and expensive war on some drugs, it didn't work with booze only an idiot or some one trying to find jobs for prohibition agents would think a failed policy is a good idea.
Secure the border, get rid of the debt, cut the sh!t out of taxes and the size of Govt. and enforce the Constitution.
The Govt has no place in any social issue.

I say this only half in jest. I think you've written your acceptance speech for the nomination. (Of course, you will be on a five second delay before it airs).
FQ13

[tombogan03884]

No delay and I WILL be carrying .  
Let 'em try to whack me, If they are to close to me for the snipers to get them they are to close for me to miss , and I'll have to be quick to beat Vice President TT   

[Bic]

Politics shmolitics , TAB would you post a link to where a chap could find a larger version of you new avatar?