An Unpatriotic Question? What is Victory in Afghanistan?

[fightingquaker13]

I'm going to post this without comment. Still, I think its appropriate to consider on Veteran's Day. What exactly constitutes victory in Afghanistan? When can we say "Mission Accomplished" or alternatively "We failed for these reasons and will avoid them in the future"? I've had two president's who have failed to answer that one basic question. What is victory? I leave it to the board.
FQ13 who doesn't seek an argument, just a reasonable plan that we haven't been given by two Administrations and is getting an uncomfortable sense of deja vu.

[Timothy]

I'll answer with another question.....Who is the enemy?

Victory in the middle east is unattainable.....

IMO....

[sledgemeister]

I'm going to post this without comment. Still, I think its appropriate to consider on Veteran's Day. What exactly constitutes victory in Afghanistan? When can we say "Mission Accomplished" or alternatively "We failed for these reasons and will avoid them in the future"? I've had two president's who have failed to answer that one basic question. What is victory? I leave it to the board.
FQ13 who doesn't seek an argument, just a reasonable plan that we haven't been given by two Administrations and is getting an uncomfortable sense of deja vu.

Ask the Russians what constitutes victory, hang on they were smart enough to get the heck out of there, and if I remember the ruskies was the bad guys and the afghanies was the good guys. Only one victory is obtainable. Nuke it!

[cookie62]

Turning sand to glass

[JC5123]

I'll answer with another question.....Who is the enemy?

Victory in the middle east is unattainable.....

IMO....

Agreed, at least if you plan on leaving the natives.

[Sponsor]

[Solus]

The War on Terrorists is like a game of Whack-A-Mole.

Every time a terrorist sticks his  head out of his hole, that hole needs to be Whacked hard and Whacked quickly...every time.

Don't think there is a PC way of getting that done, but that is what needs to be done.

It will end when those living near the hole get tired of getting Whacked along with the hole and start plugging the holes before we need to.

[tombogan03884]

FQ, the reason 2 President's have failed to answer the question is that they do not know.
What should have been a simple punitive raid, Go in kill a bunch of bad guy's, depose the current regime and get out,letting the natives go back to fighting among themselves, which could have been done in about 90 days or less has drag on for 10 years of waste and expense in lives and treasure because our own gutless touchy feely society can not face the occasional need for applied violence.

Solus is right, the War on Terror is a job for Special Op's guy's traveling here and there to kill this guy or capture and interrogate that guy. There is no practical purpose behind having Regular Troops occupying ground beyond establishing bases for the effective forces to operate from.
The best argument against our continued presence in Afghanistan is that BHO favors it.
With the current problems we have at home, it begins to seem like the Taliban are fighting our fight.
It may be a crappy primitive way of life, but it is theirs and they are fighting to protect it from the ravages of Wal-Mart and the "World Bank".
FQ, Your question is not at all unpatriotic. If you saw some one trying to change a light bulb with a hammer you would be perfectly correct to question if they knew what the hell they were doing.

[Pecos Bill]

What is victory in Afghanistan? Getting all our troops home alive!!!

Pecos

[twyacht]

Unequivocal, and complete, total victory.

Seriously, I would get the troops out, leave several bill boards with this image around the country.  Leave some drones, and Black Ops type spooks to recon, gather intel, and take targets of opportunity.

and if they "f" up with another attack on our country, based out of that sh**hole of a country, refer to image above.

Maybe Little Man In Iran would finally get it.  Of course it will be with the next POTUS, this one's a wuss.

[billt]

It's time to face fact and stop foolishly kidding ourselves. They can criticize the Taliban, the Mosha Hadin, and any and all other enemies that we, along with other countries have faced in Afghanistan. The fact of the matter is we have all we can do to stop these small bunches of goat herders, armed with rifles that outclassed us in the jungles of Viet Nam over 40 years ago. These people have what we and the Soviets do not, the will to fight, and NEVER GIVE UP! The fact of the matter is we will never beat these people armed with guns made on anvils in caves, shooting 4 decade old surplus ammunition. It's not going to happen. The sooner we realize what the Soviets have already learned, and get out of that God forsaken stink hole, the better off we'll be as a country, and economically as well. As the Mosha Hadin proved fighting from caves on horseback, helos are easy targets, when they're not crashing on their own. It's time to get the hell out of there. Bill T.