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Senate Aproves $4.6B for Black Farmers, Indians
« on: November 19, 2010, 08:38:36 PM »
Okay, don't get me wrong, I believe it is completely unacceptable to mistreat anyone.  That being said, this just seems frivolous and counter productive when considering the current economy and deficit.  Sounds, to me, like a power play for minority voters in 2012.  I could be wrong, of course, it wouldn't be the first time.  Oh yeah, great choice of programs to divert money from in order to pay for this nonsense.  Must be one heck of a surplus.

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WASHINGTON – The Senate has approved almost $4.6 billion to settle long-standing claims brought by American Indians and black farmers against the government.

The money has been held up for months in the Senate as Democrats and Republicans squabbled over how to pay for it. The two class action lawsuits were filed over a decade ago.

The settlements include almost $1.2 billion for black farmers who say they suffered discrimination at the hands of the Agriculture Department. Also, $3.4 billion would go to Indian landowners who claim they were swindled out of royalties by the Interior Department. The legislation was approved in the Senate by voice vote Friday and sent to the House.

Elouise Cobell, a member of the Blackfeet Tribe from Browning, Mont. and the lead plaintiff in the Indian case, said Friday that it took her breath away when she found out the Senate had passed the bill. She was feeling despondent after the chamber had tried and failed to pass the legislation many times and two people who would have been beneficiaries had died on her reservation this week.

"It's 17 below and the Blackfeet nation is feeling warm," she said. "I don't know if people understand or believe the agony you go through when one of the beneficiaries passes away without justice."

John Boyd, head of the National Black Farmers Association, said the passage of the black farmers' money is also long overdue. "Twenty-six years justice is in sight for our nation's black farmers," he said.

Lawmakers from both parties have said they support resolving the long-standing claims of discrimination and mistreatment by federal agencies. But the funding has been caught up in a fight over spending and deficits. Republicans repeatedly objected to the settlements when they were added on to larger pieces of legislation. But Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., satisfied conservative complaints by finding spending offsets to cover the cost.

The legislation also includes a one-year extension of the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program, which gives grants to states to provide cash assistance and other services to the poor, and several American Indian water rights settlements in Arizona, Montana and New Mexico sought by Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz.

In the Indian case, at least 300,000 Native Americans claim they were swindled out of royalties overseen by the Interior Department since 1887 for things like oil, gas, grazing and timber. The plaintiffs would share the settlement.

The Cobell lawsuit has dragged on for almost 15 years, with one judge in 2008 comparing it to the Charles Dickens' "Bleak House," which chronicles a never-ending legal suit. Using passages from that novel, U.S. District Judge James Robertson noted that the "suit has, in course of time, become so complicated" that "no two lawyers can talk about it for five minutes without coming to a total disagreement as to all the premises."

The Indian plaintiffs originally said they were owed $100 billion, but signaled they were willing to settle for less as the trial wore on. After more than 3,600 court filings and 80 court decisions, the two sides finally reached a settlement in December.

"Personally I still think we're owed a hundred billion dollars, but how long do you drag this thing out?" Cobell said Friday. "Do you drag it out until every beneficiary is dead? You just can't do that."

Cobell said she feels confident about passage in the House, where the two settlements already have passed twice as part of larger pieces of legislation.

For the black farmers, it is the second round of funding from a class-action lawsuit originally settled in 1999 over allegations of widespread discrimination by local Agriculture Department offices in awarding loans and other aid. It is known as the Pigford case, named after Timothy Pigford, a black farmer from North Carolina who was an original plaintiff.

The government already has paid out more than $1 billion to about 16,000 farmers, with most getting payments of about $50,000. The new money is intended for people — some estimates say 70,000 or 80,000 — who were denied earlier payments because they missed deadlines for filing. The amount of money each would get depends on how many claims are successfully filed.

The bill passed Friday would be partially paid for by diverting dollars from a surplus in nutrition programs for women and children and by extending customs user fees.

Interior Secretary Ken Salazar said with the passage of the Cobell settlement: "This is a day that will be etched in our memories and our history books."

Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack said passage "marks a major milestone in USDA's efforts to turn the page on a sad chapter in our history."

Last month, the Agriculture Department offered American Indian farmers who say they were denied farm loans a $680 million settlement. Hispanic and women farmers also have cases pending against the department.

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Re: Senate Aproves $4.6B for Black Farmers, Indians
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2010, 08:54:02 PM »
I can't judgethe specifics of the settlement. I can say this. Those folks did get hosed. When we, as a government, screw up we have to fix it. That means we the tax payers pony up. We should be pissed. We should want retribution. That will hopefully discourage this kind of crap from happening again. Its like a business getting sued because a manager did something awful. Step one: Fire the SOB. Step two, Let everyone else you hire know that doing the same will get you fired just as quick.
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Re: Senate Aproves $4.6B for Black Farmers, Indians
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2010, 11:10:06 PM »
I agree that there was, as always, wrong doing on the part of the government.  I just think the timing could not be worse to fork out $4.6 Billion.  Maybe I should be wearing a tin foil hat, but it just seems like an attempt at winning minority votes in 2012, since a lot of dems were handed their walking papers this year.

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Re: Senate Aproves $4.6B for Black Farmers, Indians
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2010, 11:33:53 PM »
THIS IS A BULLSHIT RIP OFF !!!!!!!!!!!!!
But it shows how short peoples memories are !
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Did Andrew Breitbart Lay A Trap For Sherrod's Fraud... Unbelievable!
Yesterday at 8:06pm

Andrew Breitbart is a media genius.

He proved it originally with his brilliant handling of the ACORN ‘hooker’ scandal which he skillfully manipulated so that the corrupt media was forced, against its will, to broadcast corruption in one of Obama’s most powerful political support groups. But Breitbart’s handing of that affair is nothing compared to his brilliant manipulation of the Shirley Sherrod ‘white farmer’ scandal.

It all began last Monday, July 22, 2010. As the country watched in horror, Breitbart released a snippet of a tape on his “Big Government” site which showed an obscure black female official of the Dept. of Agriculture laughing to a roomful of NAACP members about how she’d discriminated against a destitute white farmer and refused to give him the financial aid he desperately needed. As she smirked to the room, she’d sent him instead to a white lawyer – ‘one of his own kind’ – for help. The black woman was Shirley Sherrod – and almost immediately she became the center of a firestorm of controversy which exploded throughout the country. Within a day of the release of that infamous tape, the head of the Dept. of Agriculture, spurred on by Obama, demanded – and received – Sherrod’s resignation. Breitbart had won.

But then seemingly Breitbart’s actions began to explode in his face. As Sherrod screamed in protest, FOX News released the entire text of her speech last March to the NAACP. And there on tape Sherrod was shown supposedly repenting of her racism against a white farmer and instead championing his fight to win funds to keep his farm afloat. Within hours of that entire tape being revealed, the entire world turned against Andrew Breitbart. Conservatives throughout the country were enraged that he’d endangered their reputations by releasing a ‘doctored’ tape. Breitbart, they thundered, had dealt a fatal blow to the conservative media. I confess that I also was horrified at what I saw as the clumsiness and stupidity of Breitbart in ‘doctoring’ a tape to make a supposedly innocent woman look guilty. But now I discover I have been as guilty of haste to judgment of Breitbart as the Dept. of Agriculture was of Ms. Sherrod.

Only now am I realizing the real purpose for Breitbart’s release of that tape snippet. It was to allow him to cunningly trick the media into exposing one of the most shocking examples of corruption in the federal government – a little known legal case called “Pigford v. Glickman”.


***snip***

“In 1997, 400 African-American farmers sued the United States Department of Agriculture, alleging that they had been unfairly denied USDA loans due to racial discrimination during the period 1983 to 1997.” The case was entitled “Pigford v. Glickman” and in 1999, the black farmers won their case. The government agreed to pay each of them as much as $50,000 to settle their claims.

But then on February 23 of this year, something shocking happened in relation to that original judgment. In total silence, the USDA agreed to release more funds to “Pigford”. The amount was a staggering $1.25 billion. This was because the original number of plaintiffs – 400 black farmers – had now swollen in a class action suit to include a total of 86,000 black farmers throughout America.

There was only one teensy problem. The United States of America doesn’t have 86,000 black farmers. According to accurate and totally verified census data, the total number of black farmers throughout America is only 39,697. Oops.

Well, gosh – how on earth did 39,697 explode into 86,000 claims? And how did $50,000 explode into $1.25 billion? Well, folks, you’ll just have to ask the woman who not only spearheaded this case because of her position in 1997 at the “Rural Development Leadership Network” but whose family received the highest single payout (approximately $13 million) from that action – Shirley Sherrod. Oops again.


***snip***

Yes, folks. It appears that Ms. Sherrod had just unwittingly exposed herself as the perpetrator of one of the biggest fraud claims in the United States – a fraud enabled solely because she screamed racism at the government and cowed them into submission. And it gets even more interesting. Ms. Sherrod has also exposed the person who aided and abetted her in this race fraud. As it turns out, the original judgment of “Pigford v. Glickman” in 1999 only applied to a total of 16,000 black farmers. But in 2008, a junior Senator got a law passed to reopen the case and allow more black farmers to sue for funds. The Senator was Barack Obama.

Because this law was passed in dead silence and because the woman responsible for spearheading it was an obscure USDA official, American taxpayers did not realize that they had just been forced in the midst of a worldwide depression to pay out more than $1.25 billion to settle a race claim.

But Breitbart knew. And last Monday, July 22, 2010, he cleverly laid a trap which Sherrod – and Obama – stumbled headfirst into which has now resulted in the entire world discovering the existence of this corrupt financial judgment. Yes, folks – Breitbart is a genius.

As for Ms. Sherrod? Well, she’s discovered too late that her cry of ‘racism’ to the media which was intended to throw the spotlight on Breitbart has instead thrown that spotlight on herself – and her corruption. Sherrod has vanished from public view. Her ‘pigs’, it seems, have come home to roost. Oink!
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Robert W. Fortner

http://beforeitsnews.com/story/110/024/Is_There_More_to_Sherrods_Dismissal.html
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/07/forty_acres_a_mule_sherrod_sty.html

http://pajamasmedia.com/zombie/2010/07/27/pigford-v-glickman-86000-claims-from-39697-total-farmers/?singlepage=true

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Pegleg only posted that 4 months ago, It proves my point that the Population has a very short political memory.  >:(

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Re: Senate Aproves $4.6B for Black Farmers, Indians
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2010, 11:44:08 PM »
I agree that there was, as always, wrong doing on the part of the government.  I just think the timing could not be worse to fork out $4.6 Billion.  Maybe I should be wearing a tin foil hat, but it just seems like an attempt at winning minority votes in 2012, since a lot of dems were handed their walking papers this year.

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If I put on the tin foil hat I would draw a different conclusion. Looking at this purely cynically, here's how I see it. The GOP will say that BO and the Dems gave 4.6 Billion to minorities and special interests at the expense of working Americans (read blue collar white folks). They will repeat it a thousand times. This might actually work to move a significant number of hard hats to the GOP side, particularly if they are barely getting by and  (oddly enough) resent their money going to someone else for something they didn't do.
Meanwhile, the Dems will pat themselves on the back for being virtuous and pure and once again correcting one of the many faults of America. ::) This will motivate who? Blacks, Indians and lefties? Who were they going to vote for anyway? And that's if they vote at all.
The way I see it, from just naked political calculus? This a win for the GOP that could cost the Dems Indiana, West Virginia, Tennesse and maybe Michigan if the GOP plays its cards right. Just my take on it.
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« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2010, 12:12:48 AM »
FQ, did you even read my post ? It's a f*cking rip off .
Just one more of those "Lame Duck screwings that people like Billt said would not happen.

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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2010, 12:25:29 AM »
FQ, did you even read my post ? It's a f*cking rip off .
Just one more of those "Lame Duck screwings that people like Billt said would not happen.
Heard and understood. The money is spent. I still think that it will come back to bite the Dems in the azz.I can practicaly hear Karl Rove and the late lamented Lee Atwater (he was a mean SOB, but I loved his Barbecue ;D) laughing themselves silly over a beer and some pulled pork. Hell, even Carville would raise a bottle of Abita over this one. If the GOP plays this right, its a gift to them. As I said in response to TW "The GOP is the party of evil. The Democrats are the party of stupid". Well, the stupid folks have done their part. The ball is in evil's court. ;D
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