Constitutional Thoughts To Ponder

[MikeBjerum]

What part of the second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence is not clear?

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

We could go on a couple more sentences and really have fun, but this one here is what has my blood boiling this weekend!

http://www.startribune.com/local/north/109350934.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUvckD8EQDUs

By DAAREL BURNETTE II, Star Tribune

Last update: November 19, 2010 - 10:46 PM

The Minnesota School Board Association is advising school districts across the state to expand their harassment and violence policy to specify several more groups, including gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender (GLBT) students.

Apparently some groups are more equal than others 

In case someone has not noticed in the past, I am 100% against all "hate crimes" bills and legislation!  This is all hasty, feel good, politically correct crap that legislators and other elected and appointed officials do to appeal to the masses and insure their careers.

[tombogan03884]

I was going to post "Don't get me started on "hate crimes", But it was to late  

If they are going to discriminate in this manor then committed a crime based on hatred of a victim based on race, orientation etc should lead to a reduced sentence, it is after all a "Crime of Passion" like shooting your wife's boyfriend, as opposed to a case of simple greed like armed robbery.
Telling the Judge "Yes I did it, but I'm a christian and when I saw those 2 men kissing I just lost control of myself" should lead to a reduced sentence. It is wrong to add time just because some one used the evil "N" word while kicking the crap out of their victim.

[fightingquaker13]

Expanding an anti-bullying policy to wake people up to how much it must suck to be gay in high school makes sense. Eg, having a movie or lecture on not picking on people becuase they're different. I doubt anyone would seriously object to that.  Hate crimes? I agree with what's been sid. If you beat someone up and it wasn't SD (or an agreed on fight since we're talking kids here) then you get punished. Its your actions that you answer for not the motivation.
FQ13

[TAB]

you do know that when that was written, slavery was legal.

[MikeBjerum]

you do know that when that was written, slavery was legal.

And over the centuries we have made it a full 180 degrees so that now everyone that was excluded is now protected with a special set of Rights.  I didn't say there weren't problems in the past.  I am saying that today we are creating a new discrimination through the granting of special protections for certain groups.

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[twyacht]

you do know that when that was written, slavery was legal.

Yes, and most of the Founders, all agreed, that slavery, in it's Euro-transplanted form on American soil, was sure to fail. It was well known to be the 800lb gorilla in the room, and testimony among most of them, were against it.

As a young country evolved, it eventually ended. Lincoln, a mere 60+/- years later Emancipated it, and the States, empowered with their own rights, that wanted slavery to continue, well.....It was a State's rights issue that separated the Confederacy from the Union, and the result was a tragic Civil War.

I'm diverse enough to tolerate anyone's lifestyle as long as my son, doesn't have to be forced to read "My Two Daddy's" in a gov't school. The choice, should be clear, and I agree, live your life, gay, straight, bi, whatever, I don't care, as long as it doesn't get in my face. I, in turn, will do the same, but will still kiss, hug, and cop a feel on my wife in public.

[tombogan03884]

When was the last time you heard of a black being charged with a "Hate Crime" for attacking a White ?

FQ's post, as so often, underlines his isolation on the planet of ivory towers. Kids who get teased and bullied in school gain more practical learning  than than 100 Phd's could impart in a hundred years, because the real world runs on the law of the jungle, when you "coddle" the little buggers in this manner you do them no favor, in fact, you send them out completely lacking in the skills needed to deal with real world situations.

[fightingquaker13]

When was the last time you heard of a black being charged with a "Hate Crime" for attacking a White ?

FQ's post, as so often, underlines his isolation on the planet of ivory towers. Kids who get teased and bullied in school gain more practical learning  than than 100 Phd's could impart in a hundred years, because the real world runs on the law of the jungle, when you "coddle" the little buggers in this manner you do them no favor, in fact, you send them out completely lacking in the skills needed to deal with real world situations.

Or they pull a Colombine or become divorce lawyers, or junior high principals. Just sayin'.
FQ13

[runstowin]

Most Americans have a death grip commitment to getting free universal public education for their children, and then many of them bitch about what they get. If you don't like what the public schools are doing ,yank your children out of that cesspool.

[tombogan03884]

Most Americans have a death grip commitment to getting free universal public education for their children, and then many of them bitch about what they get. If you don't like what the public schools are doing ,yank your children out of that cesspool.

Recently I made the comment that I often disagree with Runstowin, this is one of them.
His suggestion shows a shallow understanding of the symptom and total ignorance of the actual problem.
If followed, his idea of doing away with public school would reserve education only for those who could afford it.
This would lead to an aristocratic educated class calling the shot's for the "ignorant masses"..
This mentality being held by the socialists who currently lurk in academia is at the root of many of the problems we face today, such as an elitist legislature that ignores the demands of it's employers, US, ( Obummercare ).
They are there to teach kids to read, write, and do math. College professors are supposed to be educating young people in more advanced studies, not pushing a political agenda (marxism ) and encouraging dissent, (exact quote from a local communist Professor "A professor greatest contribution is to encourage dissenting opinions " It came from a local paper a year or 2 back )
In fact, rather than encouraging dissent they should be teaching their students to be competent citizens but most of them lack that knowledge themselves.
The answer is to return control of education to the local level, purge the socialist "activists" and do away with tenure.