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tombogan03884

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They would just register them in Panama or Liberia. There is minimal, if any liability involved for the Country of registry for the actions of the crew as long as the VESSEL conforms to international standards (More or less) If the Ship is compliant then it simply becomes a matter of whether or not to accept the registration fee.
TAB may have been a CG officer but I ask On what charges ? their actions are not in American waters so the Coasties have no jurisdiction.
Heck, I remember when a Soviet sailor jumped on board a USCG Cutter off the coast here back in the 70's begging for asylum, the heroic Coasties allowed members of the Soviet crew to come aboard the Cutter, beat the crap out of him and drag him back.

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They would just register them in Panama or Liberia. There is minimal, if any liability involved for the Country of registry for the actions of the crew as long as the VESSEL conforms to international standards (More or less) If the Ship is compliant then it simply becomes a matter of whether or not to accept the registration fee.
TAB may have been a CG officer but I ask On what charges ? their actions are not in American waters so the Coasties have no jurisdiction.
Heck, I remember when a Soviet sailor jumped on board a USCG Cutter off the coast here back in the 70's begging for asylum, the heroic Coasties allowed members of the Soviet crew to come aboard the Cutter, beat the crap out of him and drag him back.


Wrong, the USCG has juristiction and is responsible for thier safety, no matter where they are.  The are also responsible for the safety of navel ships. As far as the soviet deal, I don't know the details of it.

As far as charges, the list is a mile long.  every thing from illegal dumping, to poor seamenship and every thing inbetween.
Every single time they have had a crash, the guys on watch and/or the captain could have been held responsible.

Trust me the USCG does not play fair and they have more search and seizure power then anyone execpt a US marshel, in prosute of a fugative.

If you are driving a officer has to have a reason to pull you over, he can't search your car with out reason/warrent.  If you are registered in the US or are in US water ways, the USCG does not need a reason to stop you or search your vessel, legally they can do it at will.
I always break all the clay pigeons,  some times its even with lead.

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Darn, ASK.com is GOOD !   ;D

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,944247,00.html

As to the rest of your post TAB, They are NOT in US waters, and they are not US registered, so CG would not be able to do much beyond call them bad names.
It's one place the French have showed the way. (Of course they got cocky and got caught, but they were on the right track )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinking_of_the_Rainbow_Warrior

My Google-Fu is strong tonight    ;D

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You are 100% right, we can't touch them unless, they are in our waters, near our registered vessels or come close to navel ship... 

Which is why they are not registered here, I said if they were, they would be fooked.
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You are 100% right, we can't touch them unless, they are in our waters, near our registered vessels or come close to navel ship... 

Which is why they are not registered here, I said if they were, they would be fooked.

With our Justice Dept? You gotta be kidding?

Well, maybe if they didn't grease the right palms, then they might be fooked.
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My Brother spent 8 years in the Coast Guard. and yes, what TAB say is true. US registered vessels are subject to search and seizure any time or place. my Brother was involved in seizures from Alaska to Panama. and nobody to stop them. (the USCGC Midgett)
one reason there is so little American flagged ships anymore, they can't operate without some bureaucrat trying to make a name and burning companies for trumped up charges. (yes, it is hard to believe, but it's true)

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Heck, with this administration they would probably get some kind of award.
They may be getting Govt. grants anyway.

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The biggest reason people don't register the ships in the US is....


wait for it...













envromental laws.
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If thats not proof that dope is bad for you, I don't know what is...

reality for the dutch its a simple question.  Is the money/ ethics they are getting from the boats being registered with them worth the headache that comes from thier actions?  Thats a question that only the dutch can anwser.   I can tell you if they were registered in the US, the USCG would have throw every single one of those MOFO is jail.
The ethics here are a bit tricky. One could argue that the whalers deserve whats coming. You could say the same about the whale huggers. To me, it boils down to the fact that no animal is worth a human life and these idiots are instigating it. The larger point is that they are putting others in danger, chiefly the Aussie and NZ navy and coast guards. If it were eco freaks versus whalers? Ask me if I give a damn. They deserve each other. Its when they make problems for others that I have issues. It seems the Dutch ought to clue in on this. Let tham register in Liberia like everyone else. It would make things easier. ;D
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tombogan03884

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FQ, the Japanese are whaling under the provisions of international treaties. They are in COMPLIANCE with the law.
The Eco terrorists on the other hand are just looking for publicity.

 

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