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Once Again Racism Is OK and Correct
« on: November 30, 2010, 05:37:13 PM »
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20101129/ts_yblog_thelookout/inspired-by-tea-party-success-latinos-float-tequila-party-grassroots-movement

First it was NAACP and now the Latino Party.  It appears that racism is alive, well and the politically correct wave of the future.  Given that these ethnic groups have also proven that they can be exclusive and violent, maybe it is time for someone to start promoting the KKK again!

I have heard this proposal around, but this happens to be the first time I saw it in print ... and I am pissed  >:(
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Re: Once Again Racism Is OK and Correct
« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2010, 06:09:49 PM »
A friend on facebook sent me a link to a "Tequila Party" story yesterday.
My only comment was, "If they had started their own "Tequila Party" years ago back home, maybe they wouldn't have found it necessary to invade our country."
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Re: Once Again Racism Is OK and Correct
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2010, 03:48:12 PM »
Racism has been alive and well for years, especially since the late 1960's.  It has been dwelling on the left side of the political spectrum, under the title of affirmative action and "politically correct thought." 

Just this morning, the Portland (Oregon) City Council gave final approval to a bunch of new "gun control" laws (city codes).  Although Oregon has a state preemption law that forbids local governments from placing more restrictions on guns and gun owners, and despite the fact that those new codes describe behavior that is already illegal at the state and federal level, the Rainbow City Council moved forward to enact their new restrictions.  In a city that has been at the forefront of condemning "racial profiling," their new codes single out youngsters involved in, or believed to be involved in, gang activity.  In this neck of the woods, that predominately means Blacks and Hispanics.  Since the original gun control laws at the end of the War of Northern Aggression in the 1860's targeted former slaves, we have come full circle.  And all of this is from a VERY liberal and dare I say $ocialist, city council.

Also, if you check history (or your memory) the Democrat Party and the left were against and voted against en mass, the Kennedy Civil Rights Act.  The act was passed by Republicans and Lyndon Johnson reluctantly signed it. 

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Re: Once Again Racism Is OK and Correct
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2010, 01:57:03 AM »
Racism has been alive and well for years, especially since the late 1960's.  It has been dwelling on the left side of the political spectrum, under the title of affirmative action and "politically correct thought."  

Just this morning, the Portland (Oregon) City Council gave final approval to a bunch of new "gun control" laws (city codes).  Although Oregon has a state preemption law that forbids local governments from placing more restrictions on guns and gun owners, and despite the fact that those new codes describe behavior that is already illegal at the state and federal level, the Rainbow City Council moved forward to enact their new restrictions.  In a city that has been at the forefront of condemning "racial profiling," their new codes single out youngsters involved in, or believed to be involved in, gang activity.  In this neck of the woods, that predominately means Blacks and Hispanics.  Since the original gun control laws at the end of the War of Northern Aggression in the 1860's targeted former slaves, we have come full circle.  And all of this is from a VERY liberal and dare I say $ocialist, city council.

Also, if you check history (or your memory) the Democrat Party and the left were against and voted against en mass, the Kennedy Civil Rights Act.  The act was passed by Republicans and Lyndon Johnson reluctantly signed it.  



Your point is correct but the "Original" weapons laws date to near the beginning of slavery in this country and were aimed at all Blacks, Free or slave. Except when they were wanted as troops by BOTH sides in the Revolution and other wars. in fact some who were freed for service in the Revolution were re enslaved at it's conclusion.

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Re: Once Again Racism Is OK and Correct
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2010, 09:54:57 AM »
Your point is correct but the "Original" weapons laws date to near the beginning of slavery in this country and were aimed at all Blacks, Free or slave. Except when they were wanted as troops by BOTH sides in the Revolution and other wars. in fact some who were freed for service in the Revolution were re enslaved at it's conclusion.

OK, I'll concede the point.  By-the-way, Blacks also served on both sides during the "War of Northern Aggression."  As to "original" gun control, the first I have heard of was during the early 1800's with the development of the percussion cap.  According to a History Channel series on firearms several years ago, a town in Italy was so frightened by the development, they feared mass killings because of the new ability to reload more rapidly.  Sound familiar?  Same argument now used in fear of "assault weapons."

I'm aware of other earlier attempts to control arms, such as only certain "special" people in England being allowed to possess a long bow, the Scots were not permitted to own swords, etc., but I haven't researched that far back.   Yet. 
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Re: Once Again Racism Is OK and Correct
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Re: Once Again Racism Is OK and Correct
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2010, 10:27:24 AM »
OK, I'll concede the point.  By-the-way, Blacks also served on both sides during the "War of Northern Aggression."  As to "original" gun control, the first I have heard of was during the early 1800's with the development of the percussion cap.  According to a History Channel series on firearms several years ago, a town in Italy was so frightened by the development, they feared mass killings because of the new ability to reload more rapidly.  Sound familiar?  Same argument now used in fear of "assault weapons."

I'm aware of other earlier attempts to control arms, such as only certain "special" people in England being allowed to possess a long bow, the Scots were not permitted to own swords, etc., but I haven't researched that far back.   Yet.  
No real need. Max Weber put it correctly. when he said (I'm paraphrasing) "The state must have a monopoly on the legitimate use of violence". This is true, as the alternative is anarchy. Still, it sets up the eternal conflict between rulers and ruled. Rulers want to control not only the right to do violence, but the means with which to do so, as any ruler with any sense understands that they are one big mistake away from revolution. The form of government and its ideology is irrelevant. Its a question of human nature. Those in power wish to keep it, and therefore make preventing others from successfully challenging it a priority. No regime, from Ur, to Greece, to feudalism etc. has ever ceded more power to private actors than neccessary.

The sole exception to this (and here only partially) is a republican government. The reason is that power lies in those citizens who are enfranchised, not the rulers, who are merely delegates. Its crucial to note the word efranchised as blacks and women being disenfranchised (and disarmed) was perfectly compatible with republican government for much of our history. Still, it all goes back to Madison's Federalist 51 and Federalist 10 (thirty of the smartest pages on politics ever written). The only thing we can really trust is that the soveriegn power will jealously defend its soveriegnty. In the case of the US, the soveriegn is us, the enfranchised people, which thankfully now includes all races and both genders. Because of this, we are unwilling to surrender our arms as we recognize that to do so is to surrender power to the state and transform it from our servant to our master. This assesment may seem naive, but poll numbers don't lie. A supermajority of Americans favor the 2A. Far more than own guns, or hunt, or ever intend to. Why? Because they are appropriately jealous of their rights.  

When you look at the history of gun control (or control of other weapons) you look at the history of rulers limiting challenge to their rule. It is only in a republic, where soveriegnty is diffuse, that you see resistance to this trend. I don't know what the hell happened to Australia and the Uk, but I will say this. Both are democracies, not republics. They elect their rulers, but have no defense against them in the form of a bill of rights or an independent judiciary. They have therefore disarmed their people with no one to say no. We haven't. Its no accident, and it is because of our form of government. Sorry, rant over. I'll be quiet now. ;)
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Re: Once Again Racism Is OK and Correct
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2010, 11:17:13 AM »
OK, I'll concede the point.  By-the-way, Blacks also served on both sides during the "War of Northern Aggression."  As to "original" gun control, the first I have heard of was during the early 1800's with the development of the percussion cap.  According to a History Channel series on firearms several years ago, a town in Italy was so frightened by the development, they feared mass killings because of the new ability to reload more rapidly.  Sound familiar?  Same argument now used in fear of "assault weapons."

I'm aware of other earlier attempts to control arms, such as only certain "special" people in England being allowed to possess a long bow, the Scots were not permitted to own swords, etc., but I haven't researched that far back.   Yet. 

The reason the military were reluctant to adopt,( in order), Repeating arms, magazine rifles, machine guns, submachine guns, and select fire weapons, was a fear that troops would shoot up all their ammo in the first burst and the run out.
It seems politics isn't the only place we refuse to learn from history  ::)

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Re: Once Again Racism Is OK and Correct
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2010, 11:20:47 AM »
The reason the military were reluctant to adopt,( in order), Repeating arms, magazine rifles, machine guns, submachine guns, and select fire weapons, was a fear that troops would shoot up all their ammo in the first burst and the run out.
It seems politics isn't the only place we refuse to learn from history  ::)

Not always an unfounded fear.  Hence the reason the first full-auto Vietnam era M-16's were replaced by those capable of 3-shot bursts.
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Re: Once Again Racism Is OK and Correct
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2010, 11:23:50 AM »
Better fire discipline would have solved that as well, remember all those films of guys sticking the rifle up over the edge of the trench and hosing God only knows what ?
But your point is taken, like Clint Smith says, You can not miss fast enough to win a gun fight.

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« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2010, 11:26:38 AM »
Not always an unfounded fear.  Hence the reason the first full-auto Vietnam era M-16's were replaced by those capable of 3-shot bursts.
Agreed. Discipline and training only goes so far. The "go away, go away, go away" instinct is hard wired. If you're scared, the instinct is to empty the mag.The key is to balance the weapon with the training. FA M-14s or M-16s? Who the hell can control one? That said, who wouldn't try if they were pinned down? I think things like select fire are a prudent compromise, not on philosophical grounds, just a matter of conserving ammo.
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