House passes immigration Dream Act -UPDATE-

[tombogan03884]

Lets look at your analogy a little closer Crusader, because its very much on point, and in the news here in Florida. Exchange the bank robber for Bernie Madoff. His victims (people who have lost a large percentage of their wealth, most of them seniors) are now being served with notices to pay by the courts. The same thing is happening to charities and schools who invested with him. The rationale is that they got some proceeds and those further down the pyramid scheme got nadda, and so all the money goes in one pot and gets doled out. If you have to sell the house or close the orphange, even if you did nothing wrong and invested in good faith, too bad. You lose. We're sorry your 401K is now a 101k, but here's the bill, and declaring bankruptcy won't help you since its a legal judgement.
To me, this is more analogous to the kids effected by the Dream Act than your bank robber scenario. They didn't volunteer to come here. They just did what their parents told them to do, no different than we would have done. Now, they've lived in this country, known no other, and we ship them home? Their parents yes. The kids? I say we give them a choice. Earn citizenship through service and stay, or refuse and leave. I am no one's idea of a bleeding heart on the border (and have zero problem with militarizing it), but this seems like the moral (and smart) thing to do.
FQ13

Of course you do. You drank the kool-ade.
Is there something about the word "illegal" that you just don't get ?

I told you they would pass this BS.

[JC5123]

Lets look at your analogy a little closer Crusader, because its very much on point, and in the news here in Florida. Exchange the bank robber for Bernie Madoff. His victims (people who have lost a large percentage of their wealth, most of them seniors) are now being served with notices to pay by the courts. The same thing is happening to charities and schools who invested with him. The rationale is that they got some proceeds and those further down the pyramid scheme got nadda, and so all the money goes in one pot and gets doled out. If you have to sell the house or close the orphange, even if you did nothing wrong and invested in good faith, too bad. You lose. We're sorry your 401K is now a 101k, but here's the bill, and declaring bankruptcy won't help you since its a legal judgement.
To me, this is more analogous to the kids effected by the Dream Act than your bank robber scenario. They didn't volunteer to come here. They just did what their parents told them to do, no different than we would have done. Now, they've lived in this country, known no other, and we ship them home? Their parents yes. The kids? I say we give them a choice. Earn citizenship through service and stay, or refuse and leave. I am no one's idea of a bleeding heart on the border (and have zero problem with militarizing it), but this seems like the moral (and smart) thing to do.
FQ13

Here is the problem with your analogy. The people investing with Madoff weren't knowingly and willfully committing a crime. Illegals bringing their kids across the border however are. They know from the time they cross the border that they are now in violation of the law. Getting caught is a risk they take both for themselves and their children. Yes I feel bad for the kids in this situation, but it is not my fault, and not my responsibility that their parents have put them at risk.

Send the parents back, ok, but now you have created a whole new set of problems if you don't deport the kids too. First, what do you do with the kids? Foster care? Make them a ward of the state? (in which we the taxpayer must pay for) Plus now you have parents that you have deported that will most likely be trying to get back in to find their kid. (most likely illegally AGAIN)

While I don't see how it is right to make the victims of Madoff pay ANYTHING. That is a separate issue. I fail to see how it relates here. As I have said, these people invested money with someone who (on paper) looked legit. They didn't knowingly break any laws. There is a reason we call them ILLEGAL aliens.

[kmitch200]

But here is where it gets tricky.  Once they become a citizen, their family has a quicker path to becoming citizens, with which I don't agree in this case.

Agreed.
If the option is given to someone who was brought here under the age of say, 8, then OK. Get the paperwork done and your place is at the end of the line. Behind all the people who are going through the process LEGALLY.  
But, as has been pointed out, what to do with the kid then? Let them stay with the illegal Aunt & Uncle? Ward of the state? Gee, we get to pay for that too!

Also, I have a problem with illegal aliens entering our military and our colleges in the first place.

College I'm not sure about, I think you can enter a college by paying nonresident fees. I don't know if they check your status to see if you have a green card. (I doubt it. It's probably considered non-PC)

You don't have to be a citizen to be in the military.
You do have to have a green card or BECOME a naturalized citizen. Letting an illegal alien join the military just because they live here is NUTS!


Passing this law WITHOUT securing the border FIRST is also NUTS.
I don't think it has a snowballs chance in the Senate.  

[Hazcat]

DREAM Act appears dead after (Senate) Dems pull it from consideration

Washington (CNN) -- Senate Democrats conceded Thursday they don't have the votes to pass the DREAM Act, a bill that would have offered a path to citizenship for some illegal immigrants who entered the United States as children.

Democrats voted to pull the measure from consideration, most likely killing any chance of passage this year for the hotly contested bill, Senate supporters say.

Senate Republicans opposed the bill, standing by their pledge to block any legislation during the lame duck session until the chamber approves bills to extend the Bush tax cuts and fund the government.

The so-called Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors Act would have affected immigrants who entered the United States illegally as children under the age of 16 and have lived in the country for at least five years. Other requirements include graduating from high-school or obtaining a General Education Development diploma and demonstrating "good moral character."

Even then, only a six-year conditional status would be awarded

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/12/09/dream.act/index.html

[tombogan03884]

Every single one of them should have all their assets seized and be dumped across the nearest border, while their apologists and employers are jailed, and any city or state that calls itself a "sanctuary" should lose all federal funding until they comply with US law.

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[ronlarimer]

My solution to the immigration issue is 3 fold...

1) If you aren't a citizen there is no public assistance no welfare, no medical and no duty to treat.  Additionally no public education.  People bring their kids here to have a better life.  If you take that away they won't come.

2) Remove the stupid, your born here you are a citizen stuff.  This will eliminate anchor children and any benefit from having a child here (see #1)

3) Make hiring a illegal a felony.  Since property can be confiscated that was used in the commission of a felony, no employer would risk their equipment simply for cheep labor.  No job, no money, no reason to come.

This has an added benefit... It would create jobs so that the 99-weeks of unemployment discussion would stop.

[JC5123]

Agreed.
If the option is given to someone who was brought here under the age of say, 8, then OK. Get the paperwork done and your place is at the end of the line. Behind all the people who are going through the process LEGALLY.  
But, as has been pointed out, what to do with the kid then? Let them stay with the illegal Aunt & Uncle? Ward of the state? Gee, we get to pay for that too!

College I'm not sure about, I think you can enter a college by paying nonresident fees. I don't know if they check your status to see if you have a green card. (I doubt it. It's probably considered non-PC)

You don't have to be a citizen to be in the military.
You do have to have a green card or BECOME a naturalized citizen. Letting an illegal alien join the military just because they live here is NUTS!


Passing this law WITHOUT securing the border FIRST is also NUTS.
I don't think it has a snowballs chance in the Senate.  

Can anyone here say Ft. Hood? It is strategic suicide to allow someone who is not a loyal citizen of your country to fight for you.

[cookie62]

3) Make hiring a illegal a felony.  Since property can be confiscated that was used in the commission of a felony, no employer would risk their equipment simply for cheep labor.  No job, no money, no reason to come.

This has an added benefit... It would create jobs so that the 99-weeks of unemployment discussion would stop.

Just had an incident here in a central Illinois small town (pop. 5,000) where an expensive restaurant had to close down because all the kitchen help were illegal.  Of course the owners said they had no ideal, even though some of them had worked there for more than 2 years. (can you say work for cash)

[JC5123]

Just had an incident here in a central Illinois small town (pop. 5,000) where an expensive restaurant had to close down because all the kitchen help were illegal.  Of course the owners said they had no ideal, even though some of them had worked there for more than 2 years. (can you say work for cash)

Really sucks when Chucky Cheese goes under. Maybe they should have paid them in prize tickets instead.....























I'll be in the corner waiting for ride ride to hell.....

[twyacht]

C'mon the cost of allowing these folks into our financial aid packages like Pell Grants, (it's already about broke, but who cares?), is just a minor thing. Literally insignificant, like unemployment checks.

We won't use unspent "stimulus" funds to fund anything, as it's a slush fund for the unions anyway.

Harry Reid? Really? Best interest of the country? Are you serious? Look at the UK college students, our college age kids will be doing the same shortly, when their financial aid programs all go belly up.