School board meeting shooting - FL

[billt]

Thankfully this was the lousiest shooter out there. MINUTES went by, before Jones the security guard showed up.

I don't think this guy wanted to kill anyone. Classic suicide by cop. It didn't upset him when the woman whacked him with her purse. He could have easily off'ed her right there. Instead he let her and many others go, then stalled for time just hanging around letting the board members babble on. He looked as if he carefully aimed at the first guy, but missed by a mile. He took his time before doing it because it was almost as if he wanted to give the cops time to get in place. Once the shooting started it was all over. Plus, he was smart enough to save the last round for himself just in case they were worse shots than he was. All of this, plus his exclamation, "I'm going to die today" shows he planned the outcome without hurting any others.  Bill T.

[Solus]

I think you are correct, Bill.

I also heard that he claimed to be upset over the firing of his wife and it was found he had no wife who worked there.

It does look like he was building compelling reasons for folks to believe his intent was to kill folks but his actions were otherwise.


Will be wondering what his motives were.

[jnevis]

I think you are correct, Bill.

I also heard that he claimed to be upset over the firing of his wife and it was found he had no wife who worked there.

It does look like he was building compelling reasons for folks to believe his intent was to kill folks but his actions were otherwise.


Will be wondering what his motives were.

We'll never know the real reason but I'd put money on depression, bankrupcy, failures of some sort (family/business ect). 

As for the time it took the security guard to fire... Do we know where he was when it started?  He could have only been alerted to it after he let the women go and was just getting to the room when he started shooting.  It was only 20 secs from when the gunman leveled the weapon on the board member to the first shot that hit the gunman.   

Mitch, most women carry enough crap in their purse to brain an Ox.

The woman that hit him was aiming for his arm not his head. A head shot with the purse probably would have ended it.

[r_w]

Glenn Beck was channelling Michael Bane when he talked about it--his response was to the effect "Luckily he was a liberal and didn't know how to shoot."

[PegLeg45]

I was just pointing out how rare a prepared person actually is.

On that I agree 100%.............. rarely a sheepdog in a flock of thousands.


This whole situation is why I hate to go to a place like that....where I can't legally carry. I feel naked without my sidearm. I carry other weapons, but they are all close-contact stuff. Whenever I have to go to court for jury duty or such, I sit close to a side exit (there are 2 in out courtroom). The bailiffs at our courthouse are one notch above a joke, and since my physical limitations prevent little more than a stationary defensive action, I figure my best bet (in a scenario like the one here) is to try for the door and hope the guy can't hit a moving target. Then I could summon help/authorities.

The hinge on the whole thing is that it is semi-easy to Monday morning something like this, but in all reality, you can't predict what will happen in any given event. About the best we can do is train for as many variables as possible and to mentally process input as rapidly as possible in order to adjust to a situation as it occurs.

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[twyacht]

Sadly, the law to restrict LAW ABIDING folks from LEGALLY carrying on any city, county, state property, etc,...will not change....

Yet, these BG's keep coming. They have metal detectors for our kids at their schools, but not at these meetings?

Seems a security job, might be a decent job choice for a slim job market...

[TAB]

Honestly, even if I was there and armed, I really doubt I would have done anything, until he started to open fire.  

[PegLeg45]

Honestly, even if I was there and armed, I really doubt I would have done anything, until he started to open fire.  

Good point to ponder.

*Note: While you were posting, I was adding to my previous post.

[MikeBjerum]

Honestly, even if I was there and armed, I really doubt I would have done anything, until he started to open fire.  

Can't say what I would have done if I had been on that board, but if given a clear shot I have practiced to take it.  I will never know for sure until put in that position for sure, but the reason I learn, train and practice is to be ready to take the shot.

If you are going to wait till he shoots first you may just find out how hard it is to pull a trigger with a third nostril!

If my emotions were in check I would have done all I could have to put this coward down!

The only thing worse than committing suicide is forcing some one to do it for you.

[tt11758]

The only thing more worse than committing suicide is forcing some one to do it for you.

I never understood the mindset of "suicide by cop".  I mean, if one is that committed to go, one would think they'd have the balls to do it themselves.