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Liberal fascism
« on: February 23, 2008, 02:06:35 AM »

I've said it before and I say it again - politics makes me sick...

Especially now when I see a country with some very dark clouds in the horizon. Liberals and democrats and a growing number of undecided voters are moving towards a politician with empty words and promises of change. The Obarama - the new Messiah for those who think that government and bigger government is the only solution to all problems in society.

Individual freedom is at stake more than ever.

20 years ago and for the most part because of my pro gun views, I changed from being (and this was in Norway) a social democrat to becoming a conservative. I was raised and educated by family and people who built a country from the ruins of WWII, who believed that the state had more responsibility of taking care of the individuals than the individuals themselves. They succeeded in getting the country back on its feet, but the success also turned the social democrats into a group  that could not trust the people they were supposed to serve. Power became more important than the freedom and peace they wanted to restore in the first place.

Now I witness the fact that  a socialist platform is gaining popularity in this country. Not because the people want bigger government and federal control, but because some democrats have found a way into the hearts of a portion of the population who I honestly think are not able to think for themselves, who don't have a clue about history and do not know that history has the strong ability to repeat itself.

Freedom loving people in this country, and I consider law abiding gun owners the most responsible and freedom loving people in the world, are all disillusioned by the fact that conservatives can no longer get the message across and do no longer have a leader who can fight against a secular-progressive movement.

In January, Jonah Goldberg, founding editor of “National Review Online", published a book called Liberal Fascism. I've read it. It brings the history of liberalism, socialism and social democracy into the limelight based on historical facts. Facts that I didn't even consider; how much fascists and liberals have in common from a historical standpoint. It's scary. This is a book that should be given to all liberals out there and especially to all those out there now leaning towards and fainting in the presence of Obama.

I recommend it and when you have read it, give it to a liberal. I will.


Liberal Fascism, by Jonah Goldberg

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Re: Liberal fascism
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2008, 03:19:16 AM »
I put the book on my "wish list".  But I already know the liberals are fascists.  But they divert everyone's attention away from the fact by calling all Republicans "Nazis"!
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Re: Liberal fascism
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2008, 09:23:06 AM »
Well said Marshal'

  I think all of us on all the gunboards are very uneasy right now.  Its like seeing a tidlewave coming in the distance knowing we can't do a thing about it.  Just trying to prepare to survive the coming years.

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Re: Liberal fascism
« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2008, 10:42:34 AM »
Thanks, Marshal,

I wish more people like you who have been in a liberals fantasy country would stand up and speak.  You have first hand knowledge that it doesn't work (at least not well) and that you give up too much for the little you receive.
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Re: Liberal fascism
« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2008, 10:48:23 AM »
I have it on reserve at two different libraries. Long awaiting list.
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Re: Liberal fascism
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Re: Liberal fascism
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2008, 11:22:37 AM »
I've read a bunch of Jonah Goldberg's writings, mostly his columns. His Mom runs a website called www.Lucianne.com which is similar to this site in the respect and deference people show. Lots more site pests than here though, usually they get flamed in creative, almost artistic ways. They are strict on site conduct, and will boot your ass for saying, well, ass among other things.

Lucianne Goldberg lives in NYC and is Jewish, and very Conservative - a rarity for both factors these days. Ben Stein excepted, although he lives in CA. Her son gets quoted often, as editor of NRO and author. As Lucianne once said, it's only nepotism when it isn't you're nep!

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Re: Liberal fascism
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2008, 11:37:21 AM »
Well said Marshal'
  I think all of us on all the gunboards are very uneasy right now.  Its like seeing a tidlewave coming in the distance knowing we can't do a thing about it.  Just trying to prepare to survive the coming years.

Who knows, if big time gun control hits, how it will be implemented.  Restricted sales, then no sales, then no way to transfer to heirs?  Anyway...that's my thinking so...to that end, I already set up a trust to purchase supressors so I'm transferring all of my weapons to the trust so that in the future, if the laws change before I pass on, the guns will continue in the trust since they won't have to be transferred upon my death.  Of course, they could just say hand 'em in. 

Remember, when you buy on the NIC's they don't know how many you have purchased.  I bought a long gun once, then wanted a pistol and found out since I did not leave the store premises they could just add it to the form without calling in again.  I would assume doing that intentionally might not be per regulations, but it is an interesting point of regulation, you can have three (?) on the form.

The NIC's forms, when the business closes, are supposed to be sent to a warehouse in Virginia or somewhere...a dealer I know tells me that after 30 days the NIC's check is expunged and he has had cause to go back to get information from NIC's.  Now, who knows what big brother is doing, maybe listening to NIC's and building it's own database?  All I know, is I record every firearm I sell off to an unknown individual and if I ever have a weapon stolen from a vehicle I'll immediately report the stolen #'s.  If they come to pick 'em up one day, that police report and sales record will come in handy....bureacrats are driven by paper, so if you don't have it expect a hassle.
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Re: Liberal fascism
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2008, 11:59:29 AM »
Thanks, Marshal,
I wish more people like you who have been in a liberals fantasy country would stand up and speak.  You have first hand knowledge that it doesn't work (at least not well) and that you give up too much for the little you receive.

Actually, part of the "fantasy world" works fine in my old country, because of huge income from exporting oil and gas plus the fact that they have one of the highest income taxes in the world. If it wasn't for oil and gas, Norway would have been bankrupt years ago and they would not be able to "feed the poor".

The US is dependent on other countries when it comes to energy. A country founded on the principles of free economy will not be able to fund the social reforms the liberals want to impose without selling us out and becoming a part of the new world order run by other countries. We are looking at the UN as the government and a US going back to the years before 1776. There's a lot King Georges out there who are just waiting for the secular progressives to do the ground work for them.

Having said all that, there's a lot of rotten eggs on both sides of the party lines. , but most conservatives know that there are no simple solution to any of the problems we are facing. When Obama or Hillary talks about solutions, it sounds like they have invented the wheel and everything will be fine when they start rolling forward from the White House. The saddest part is not the power hungry Obama or Hillary.... it is all those who want to buy this package without looking at what's under the fine wrapping paper.

Did I mention that I hate politics?


 

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Re: Liberal fascism
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2008, 01:52:08 PM »
Actually, part of the "fantasy world" works fine in my old country, because of huge income from exporting oil and gas plus the fact that they have one of the highest income taxes in the world. ....

That is exactly what the libs want.  That is why they hate the rich (except for hollywood and Soros).  They want all of our money because they are so much smarter than we are and will spend it better for us. ::)

And yeah, I hate politcs too (poly meaning "many", tics meaning "blood sucking parasites" ;D)
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Re: Liberal fascism
« Reply #9 on: February 28, 2008, 05:01:33 PM »
  I think all of us on all the gunboards are very uneasy right now.  Its like seeing a tidlewave coming in the distance knowing we can't do a thing about it.  Just trying to prepare to survive the coming years.

That's not necessarily so.  There is very much we can do about it.  I for one, am not willing to roll-over and surrender before the first shot is fired.  What we can do is get active and make sure everyone we know with similar views get registered, and votes.  Two things happened in the 2000 elections.  Voter turnout and voting gun owners.  It was a squeeker, but we barely saved the country from the likes of Al Gore.  It has been acknowledged by all concerned, that gun owners made the difference.  The NRA estimates that only 30% of gun owners actually vote.  Imagine the kind of power we would really have if we got active and motivated our brothers and sisters of the gun to actually exercise their right to vote.  Imagine how powerful we could be if we could convince the GOA and the NRA to stop sniping at one another and work together for a change.  We would truly become the "powerful gun lobby" that the left keeps complaining about. 

Too many hunters and trap/skeet shooters don't want to get involved in our cause, because they don't own a pisltol and don't care about "assault weapons."  Too many of them (us?) think that their sport is somehow immune from gun control / registration / confiscation.  Somehow they think that the gun control crowd will leave them alone after the pistols and "assault weapons" are taken care of.  Oh yeah?  Tell that to the people of Australia, New Zealand, Scotland, Ireland and England.  Tell that to our Canadian neighbors who are struggling to stop a draconian gun registration scheme.  Gun registration leads to only one thing;  Confiscation.  "They" can't come get 'em, unless "they" know where the guns are.   

The left has already suggested that any rifle with a scope and is able to penetrate police body armor is a "sniper rifle," and should not be allowed.  Already, semi-auto and pump action rifles and shotguns are labeled as "assault" weapons. 

Don't say "That could never happen here."  That's what many victims say ........... afterwards.

It takes money to fight for our rights.  We don't have a "George Soros" to pump millions into our cause.  Join the NRA.  Join the GOA, or the Second Amendment Foundation.   Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms.  Join something and put your money where your rights are! 

Yeah, I know, John McCain stinks.  Okay, so he stinks.  Hold your nose.  If you can't bring yourslf to vote FOR McCain, then at least vote AGAINST Obama.   


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